Saddam Hussein to Hang out with Paris, Lindsay

[ppg960]

I think Bush should have waited to invade Iraq. At the time it wouldn't have surprised me if Iraq had Nuclear Power. They didn't and hind sight is a wonderful thing!!
I was surprised when Bush got in for a second term.

[Big Fat Sammy]

Originally posted by ppg960

I was surprised when Bush got in for a second term.

Why? He wasn't elected for the first one either!

[Dr. Love]

What the... who told all of you that you could post in my forum?

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by pflo
"Burden of Proof"? You defend Bush and have the GALL to use that phrase?? Why didnt he need a "Burden of Proof" to invade Iraq (as in WMD)? Double standard? You are indeed a tool. Eat your words, chump.

well allow me to retort...


if by "tool," you mean 3. the cutting or machining part of a lathe, planer, drill, or similar machine, then yes, i am an instrument that can cut you to shreds. so i must congratulate you on your perceptiveness.

well, actually, i can't. what makes you say that i defended bush? that i said there wasn't "evidence" to convict him of a crime? um, that's not defending him. that's stating a fact. there isn't any public evidence. do you really, really think if there was an abundance of evidence (REAL evidence) that he committed a crime that the democratic party wouldn't have used that?

so what EVIDENCE of a crime have you given? that civilians were killed? hate to tell you, but that's not always a crime. was roosevelt committing a crime when we invaded nazi germany? (some innocent civilians were killed by U.S. troops.)

and what was bush's rationale for going to war with iraq? you only mention the threat on george h.w. bush's life. when making the case for war, bush 43 mentioned upholding the U.N. resolutions for weapons inspections that saddam was not following (and he wasn't) and that it was a national security issue.

so we invaded and a number of innocent civilians were accidently killed. tragic. but it happens in war. that fact, by itself, does not render the decision makers criminal.

so again, i ask, what EVIDENCE do you have that bush committed a crime?


now, not that it matters one bit to this discussion, but in fact, i voted for both of bush's opponents. i opposed the war in iraq from it's initial proposal. i think that bush has done a poor job as president in both domestic and especially international affairs.


but my low opinion of him, and my strong disagreement with his policies and decisions does not inherently make his actions criminal. now, should actual evidence come to light in the future, i would certainly alter my opinion. but unless that actually occurs, i'll continue to keep my head in the sand. you know, mostly to avoid the flying rhetoric...



and no blonddgirl, i don't live in a box. or at least, if i do, it's a pretty damned big one...

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Dr. Love
What the... who told all of you that you could post in my forum?

sorry doc, i was only trying to follow up your hot shots part deux quote, but you left me...uh...like saddam, hanging...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, sentenced to death for his role in 148 killings in 1982, will have his sentence carried out by Sunday, NBC News reported Thursday. According to a U.S. military officer who spoke on condition of anonymity, Saddam will be hanged before the start of the Eid religious holiday, which begins this Sunday.

The hanging could take place as early as Friday, NBC’s Richard Engel reported.

The U.S. military received a formal request from the Iraqi government to transfer Saddam to Iraqi authorities, NBC reported on Thursday, which is one of the final steps required before his execution. His sentence, handed down last month, ordered that he be hanged within 30 days.

Earlier Thursday, Saddam’s chief lawyer implored world leaders to prevent the United States from handing over the ousted leader to Iraqi authorities for execution, saying the former dictator should enjoy protection from his enemies as a “prisoner of war.”

“According to the international conventions, it is forbidden to hand a prisoner of war to his adversary,” Saddam’s lawyer, Khalil al-Dulaimi, said in Amman, Jordan.

“I urge all the international and legal organizations, the United Nations secretary-general, the Arab League and all the leaders of the world to rapidly prevent the American administration from handing the president to the Iraqi authorities,” he told The Associated Press.

Meets with half-brothers
Saddam met with two of his half-brothers on Thursday and passed on personal messages to his family, a lawyer said.

Badie Aref, one of Saddam's lawyers, said the rare meeting with maternal half-brothers Sabawi and Watban Ibrahim Hassanal-Tikriti, who are in U.S. custody, was at the request of the ousted Iraqi leader and took place inside his heavily guarded prison cell in Baghdad.

Aref said Saddam was in very high spirits and had sensed “something was happening relating to the sentence” when prison guards took away a small radio he had been given several months ago.

“He met Sabawi and Watban and gave them letters to his family in anticipation.... He is clearly unaware of the details of what is happening around him and prepared to give his life as a martyr to his country,” Aref told Reuters by telephone.

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Aref said prison sources who told him of the family meeting said Saddam was aware of an appeals court decision to uphold his death sentence for crimes against humanity during his 24-year rule.

“He was in very high spirits and clearly readying himself,” Aref said during a visit to Dubai.

“He told them that he was happy he would meet his death at the hands of his enemies and be a martyr and not just languish in prison in oblivion.”

Aref said he was unsure if Saddam's third half-brother, Barzan al-Tikriti, who was sentenced to death along with the ousted leader, saw Saddam.

Fears that handover may spark violence
An official close to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has said that Saddam would remain in a U.S. military prison until he is handed over to Iraqi authorities on the day of his execution. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to address the media.

A top government official disputed the court’s ruling that Saddam must be hanged within 30 days, saying the execution should be held after that time period. The comment comes amid debate over other legal procedures such as whether the presidency is required to approve the execution.

Cardinal Renato Martino, Pope Benedict XVI’s top prelate for justice issues and a former Vatican envoy to the U.N., condemned the death sentence in a newspaper interview published Thursday, saying capital punishment goes against the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

After his sentence was given, Louise Arbour, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, urged Iraq to ensure a fair appeals process and to refrain from executing Saddam even if the sentence is upheld.

Some international legal observers and human rights groups have also called Saddam’s trial unfair because of alleged interference by the Shiite-dominated government.

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Why do you have to keep re-posting all this shit???
WTF does it have to do with this thread?
Stick to the topic man. You constantly fill pages with all this re-quoted shit that is meaningless.

Wake The Fuck UP..

[LoungeMachine]

It's called a SIG, mensa.

LMMFAO

[ppg960]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
It's called a SIG, mensa.

LMMFAO

Your Sig is a waste of space and annoying at that. It takes ten times longer to scroll through a post.

Cut it down to something reasonable.

[pflo]

Originally posted by ppg960
You really think Bin Laden and Sadam aren't in bed together??
The US isn't 100% to blame for the middle east problems either Fucktard.
Oliver North wasn't the only one doing dirty deals in Iran / Iraq.
Who do you think invaded the Afgans? The Sweedes?

No, I dont.Got any proof, or are you one of the blind sheep who believes everything theyre told? Let me confuse you with the facts-Bin Laden considered Hussein and infidel, and Hussein mistrusted people in his own govt, let alone terrorists. He despised terrorists, even though he was one himself.Jethro, you need some educatin', boy.

[pflo]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
well allow me to retort...


if by "tool," you mean 3. the cutting or machining part of a lathe, planer, drill, or similar machine, then yes, i am an instrument that can cut you to shreds. so i must congratulate you on your perceptiveness.

well, actually, i can't. what makes you say that i defended bush? that i said there wasn't "evidence" to convict him of a crime? um, that's not defending him. that's stating a fact. there isn't any public evidence. do you really, really think if there was an abundance of evidence (REAL evidence) that he committed a crime that the democratic party wouldn't have used that?

so what EVIDENCE of a crime have you given? that civilians were killed? hate to tell you, but that's not always a crime. was roosevelt committing a crime when we invaded nazi germany? (some innocent civilians were killed by U.S. troops.)

and what was bush's rationale for going to war with iraq? you only mention the threat on george h.w. bush's life. when making the case for war, bush 43 mentioned upholding the U.N. resolutions for weapons inspections that saddam was not following (and he wasn't) and that it was a national security issue.

so we invaded and a number of innocent civilians were accidently killed. tragic. but it happens in war. that fact, by itself, does not render the decision makers criminal.

so again, i ask, what EVIDENCE do you have that bush committed a crime?


now, not that it matters one bit to this discussion, but in fact, i voted for both of bush's opponents. i opposed the war in iraq from it's initial proposal. i think that bush has done a poor job as president in both domestic and especially international affairs.


but my low opinion of him, and my strong disagreement with his policies and decisions does not inherently make his actions criminal. now, should actual evidence come to light in the future, i would certainly alter my opinion. but unless that actually occurs, i'll continue to keep my head in the sand. you know, mostly to avoid the flying rhetoric...



and no blonddgirl, i don't live in a box. or at least, if i do, it's a pretty damned big one...

Good god, where to begin.The ignorance STILL abounds down there, no wonder he got re elcted.Nazi germany as a NATION WAS ACTIVELY INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES ALREADY and commiting genocide.Iraq WAS NOT at the time and got its ass kicked when it tried to invade Kuwait. Big difference.You say killing civilians is not always a crime? It is only not a crime when a declaration of war , sanctioned by the United Nations, is declared.The Iraq invasion WAS NOT, and was therefor an ILLEGAL WAR. In fact , it wasnt even a war, it was an invasion, and therefor civilians are NOT permitted to be killed without being considered a crime. When bush is done , there WILL be people who will bring his ass before the courts.Mark my words. Its much harder to do now, as he is still in office. The prick will pay, youll see.At least you admit your head is in the sand, I respect your honesty.

[ppg960]

Go Fuck your self you opinionated Prick. Your problem is you are anti USA. That Fucker was killing and torturing his own civillians. Is that not a crime??
He killed both son-inlaws. Not a crime??
Who in the Fuck has the power to take the US President to trial?? For what??
He has the UK, France, Germany and Canada on side. Sadam was worse than a Facist Dictator.
Pull your head out of your ass Fucktard.

[Dr. Love]

We've been invaded by acronyms! Man the decoders!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ppg960
Go Fuck your self you opinionated Prick. Your problem is you are anti USA. That Fucker was killing and torturing his own civillians. Is that not a crime??
He killed both son-inlaws. Not a crime??
Who in the Fuck has the power to take the US President to trial?? For what??
He has the UK, France, Germany and Canada on side. Sadam was worse than a Facist Dictator.
Pull your head out of your ass Fucktard.

Look, I know you Canadians aren't the brightest bunch.....

But what's a FACIST?

And who's SADAM?

Learn to spell before blathering about that of which you are clueless.



Fucking illiterate.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by pflo
You say killing civilians is not always a crime? It is only not a crime when a declaration of war , sanctioned by the United Nations, is declared.The Iraq invasion WAS NOT, and was therefor an ILLEGAL WAR. In fact , it wasnt even a war, it was an invasion, and therefor civilians are NOT permitted to be killed without being considered a crime.

wait...ONLY not a crime when the united nations sanctions a declaration of war? are you serious? so tell me then, why hasn't the united nations declared this action an illegal war? or at a minimum, why hasn't there been at least an attempt by the united nations to do so?


look, i understand. you don't like bush. great, you're definitely not alone. but that doesn't mean that every single thing he does is illegal. but when you start claiming things like that that, quite frankly, aren't true, you blunt any possible REAL criticisms of bush (of which there are many.)

When bush is done , there WILL be people who will bring his ass before the courts.Mark my words. Its much harder to do now, as he is still in office. The prick will pay, youll see.

and mark your words? fine. done deal. bush will not be brought up on war crimes charges. in fact, i guarantee, GUARANTEE that based on the existing public "evidence" there is ZERO CHANCE that any criminal charges are brought against bush, EVER. furthermore, while it's certainly a possibility, i think it's highly, highly unlikely that any additional evidence we may find in the future will change that.



but, if you insist that it's nonetheless a crime, that's fine. just point me in the direction of which specific law was broken.