Straight from the horses mouth

[Ellyllions]

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[Ellyllions]

A word from [Gunnery]Sergeant Krueger, USMC, to Speaker Pelosi
By Gunnery Sgt. Stephen F. Krueger



Saturday, March 31, 2007


How can you even think of pushing forward legislation to set a withdrawal date for US forces from Iraq?

Do you know how much you embolden the insurgency here in Iraq? YOU ARE JEOPARDIZING THE LIVES OF US SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WITH YOUR ACTIONS.

You and your fellow Democrats are causing the Al Qaeda supported insurgency to use more catastrophic attacks against us and Iraqi forces. You will see more SVBIED’s with chlorine gas, more VBIED’s against civilians and security forces every time you and other Democrats open your mouths.

You will have to live with yourself and try to sleep at night knowing all the defeatist propaganda you have spewed forth is nothing more than ammunition for Islamic extremist groups around the world and more US deaths.

The unsuspecting people who support you know nothing of what goes on over here; you fill their heads with nonsense and talk of pullout to appease them. The only thing that will happen is the establishment of an extremist Islamic state where sharia law is the law of the land and no one is safe.

Sunni Moslems here are coming to our side and joining forces with the government to defeat Al Qaeda(AQI) here in Iraq, but they need our help and they need us to stay. I have spent the last 7 months (3rd tour) in Iraq. I have watched Iraqi citizens pick up weapons and form militias in areas to join forces with Iraqi police/Army.

Common citizens who fight and die because we are standing next to them. Not cutting and running or talking of withdrawal. This started after the surge forces the President sent here arrived.

We have lost Marines also and it hurts more than you will ever know but we have made a commitment to these people. And I for one will not abandon them and I have of a platoon of Marines who feel the same. I have no control over what happened in 2003 and why we invaded Iraq. That is another discussion, but we are here and they need our help to rid their country of these terrorists.

Yes eventually we will leave but we need to do a phased withdrawal without a timeline. At least without a timeline that is published for the world to know. The citizens of Iraq need to see some solidarity in our government, Democrats and Republicans coming together and supporting our President in this war. There is a middle ground here for both parties, you all need to come together and work towards a solution. What we don’t need is more theatrics and clashes between the parties. AQI loves to see that it causes them to do more attacks and continue with the murder and intimidation campaign against Iraqi citizens.

Someone needs to step forward and bring the two parties together. Meet and talk about what you all can do and come to an agreement on the war. Like I said before we need a unified front to present to the world on the Iraq war.

The Iraqi people need a morale boost, they need to see we are behind them and we will support them and not cut and run.

The insurgency needs to see our resolve is strong and we will endure and defeat them. Extremist Islamist terror groups use our perceived weakness against us.

They misunderstand our kindness for weakness. Weakness shown to the world brings more recruits to their cause; it causes more civilian deaths and violence.

Please I implore you to not push this agenda. I have watched you on television and you seem to be using this as a steppingstone to further your political career. STOP!!! More is at stake here. Our countries word is on the line, my word to many Iraqi citizens is on the line. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines lives are at stake. We know the risks and we face them daily. Don’t make our mission more difficult.

Gunnery Sgt. Stephen F. Krueger
Platoon Sgt 3rd Recon Bn

[Ellyllions]

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[Ellyllions]

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[FORD]

**Astroturf alert**!!!

This hit piece has been spread to every right wing extremist site on the net already. Definitely NOT the work of one gunnery sergeant, but an organized propaganda campaign to blame the Democrats for a war started by the BCE.

When even a career warmongering NAZI like Kissinger says it's over, then it's time to start talking solutions, not furthering the lies about the non existent "Al Qaeda In Iraq"

[Guitar Shark]

It blows me away that there are still people who support this war.

[Ellyllions]

Hey guys, did you watch any of those videos?

Especially the last one?

None of those are asking for support in the decision to go to war, only that we understand why the soldiers feel it's important to see it through.

There is a difference ya know?

If you don't think so, then maybe I should take the word of one that I found that quoted some of the lovliest Dems (i.e. Bill Clinton, and Nacy Pelosi) in support of military action against Iraq. See I dismissed and didn't post those because the quotes were from 1998 up to 2000....things change just like this war in Iraq isn't the same war we went into.

[FORD]

It never WAS the "war we went into" because the war we were TOLD we were going into NEVER EXISTED.

There were no WMD's, there was no connection to Al Qaeda, there was no threat, and it obviously was no "cakewalk". This was the propaganda the BCE and PNAC were spreading before the war.

Even Poppy Bush knew better......

Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different— and perhaps barren— outcome.

Poppy wrote that in a book in 1998. I despise the man, and for good reason, but he NAILED that one. Too bad his idiot son ignored his words.

[Fizz]

Wow, have some peppermint and skip off into the forest.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
It blows me away that there are still people who support this war.

Go back to hiding under your bed.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Hey guys, did you watch any of those videos?

Especially the last one?

None of those are asking for support in the decision to go to war, only that we understand why the soldiers feel it's important to see it through.

There is a difference ya know?

If you don't think so, then maybe I should take the word of one that I found that quoted some of the lovliest Dems (i.e. Bill Clinton, and Nacy Pelosi) in support of military action against Iraq. See I dismissed and didn't post those because the quotes were from 1998 up to 2000....things change just like this war in Iraq isn't the same war we went into.

What does "see it through" mean, exactly? At what point do you think we're done?

If you're willing to send your brothers, sons, etc. to Iraq to "see it through," then more power to you. I've never supported this war, but even if I had, I would have a hard time justifying sending my loved ones into harm's way at this point, when Iraq is clearly in the midst of a civil war caused at least in part by our invasion. It's time for us to leave and allow the Iraqis to piece their own country together.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Go back to hiding under your bed.

Well hello there, manchild. Nice to see that you're as useless as ever.

[VanHalener]

You rock ELLYLLIONS. Good job!
If I could give you a sixth star, I would. God bless our folks in uniform!

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
What does "see it through" mean, exactly? At what point do you think we're done?

If you're willing to send your brothers, sons, etc. to Iraq to "see it through," then more power to you. I've never supported this war, but even if I had, I would have a hard time justifying sending my loved ones into harm's way at this point, when Iraq is clearly in the midst of a civil war caused at least in part by our invasion. It's time for us to leave and allow the Iraqis to piece their own country together.

Like I said, did you watch any of the videos?

"see it through" as one soldier poignantly put it...."We need to make sure that these people are secure". It doesn't matter what you or I think "finished" is, those people say that they've made a comittment and that they need to help the Iraqis get what they promise them every day on the street.

If I'm willing to send? I'm not sending anyone, you're not sending anyone...those 3 videos of those 3 soldiers all said that they were there because they "WANTED" to be there. You know what, if you're unwilling to at least view the videos with an open mind then there's no point in discussing this with you.

And Ford, I'm still not dragging out old quotes...it's a shame that's all you have to bring to the table.

Until we ALL stop looking at how we got there and start figuring out how we get out, you're right, all is lost.

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by vanhalener
You rock ELLYLLIONS. Good job!
If I could give you a sixth star, I would. God bless our folks in uniform!

Thanks!

Here's the biggest problem with everything involving this war. There are 2 kinds of people involved in the US side.

There are those who understand a soldier's mentality, a soldier's allegiance to the flag, and the soldier's goals in life.

The opposing side is a society of people who have no CLUE how those that enlist can see honor in self-sacrifice, or allegiance to much of anything.

The sad part is that the soldier understands that their commitments aren't recognized or respected by everyone, but the others work AGAINST the soldier and call it "saving their lives".

Clue, they don't want you to meddle in their missions! They don't want Monday quarterbacking telling them how they're supposed to think differently.

They want their mission to be successful, they want to do a good job, and they want to come home with HONOR.