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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59558

    Imus Is Just The Tip Of The Iceberg

    IMUS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG

    Imus is another example of the degradation of talk radio that has been going on since Rush Limbaugh started this in 1980. Rush was another failed DJ that got lucky in 1980 when talk radio and the AM signal were in deep trouble. So they experimented with a show that had no boundaries as to the kind of racism and hate mongering that could be disseminated in talk radio. This was followed by the other right wing haters with a mix of the “shock jocks” like Howard Stern and Imus. The fairness doctrine was killed by the Reagan Administration, which was followed by the Telecommunications Act of 1996 signed by President Clinton. That is the short history of why hate and racist talk radio is the rule rather than the exception.

    That is why I find it so ironic that the MSM(Main Stream Media) is pounding away at this story like the vultures that they have become. The MSM nurtured, incubated, and profited from the hate radio they created and now they are shocked at the Imus remarks. This is reminiscent of the famous Casablanca line by the corrupt prefect of police when he closed down “Rick’s” Café American.” “I am shocked that there is gambling going on here” was the prefect’s excuse for closing Rick’s as the casino manager says, “your winnings inspector.” So, Imus is the sacrificial lamb for the whole stinking mess. And he is not the worst of these hate mongers.

    Rush commits a felony drug offense after he and his Republican right wing cohorts have been saying far worst racist remarks for more than 20 years. Where is the outrage! Instead of the shock jock words that Imus used for the Rutgers basketball team, these right-wingers have effectively creating more hatred, racism, and divisiveness than Imus could ever have done with his irresponsible comment. The hateful comments like “femi-Nazi” “Ellen Degenerate” by these people has never gotten the attention that the Imus statement got. Perhaps Imus is fair game to these MSM executives because he supports Democrats as well as Republicans. There was even a suggestion by some idiot commentator that Imus is a liberal. In my opinion, Imus would only be a liberal in a fascist group.

    My suggestion to Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the other anti-defamation groups is that they extend their outrage to the other talk radio hosts who are doing far more damage than Imus. This would be a message to the advertisers that would really have an impact on talk radio and the dissemination of hatred that has so divided this country over the last 25 years. My suggestion to Imus is that he donates a few million dollars to a chaired professorship at Rutgers University for a media program directed at this problem if he is serious about his apology.

    I would like to invite people to go to Stop Hate Radio Petition to sign a petition to the MSM about this issue and show your outrage. Enough is enough.

    Sheldon Drobny
    Founder of Air America Radio
    and Nova M Radio

    Sign the petition

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  • Terry
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jan 2004
    • 12123

    #2
    Tempest in a teacup.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 59558

      #3
      Apr 11 2007 7:23 PM EDT
      Snoop Says Rappers And Imus Are 'Two Separate Things';

      By Shaheem Reid, with reporting by Rahman Dukes


      Snoop Dogg has issued a new warning: Don't dare to compare his lyrics — or any other MC's — to syndicated radio host Don Imus' recent racially inflammatory comments about the black women on the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus called them "nappy-headed ho's," among other insults.

      Admittedly, Snoop and some of his peers have called women "bitches" and "ho's" in their lyrics, but as the Dogg put it Tuesday afternoon (April 10), there is no parallel to what Imus said.

      "It's a completely different scenario," said Snoop, barking over the phone from a hotel room in L.A. "[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing shit, that's trying to get a nigga for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC [which announced Wednesday it would drop its simulcast of Imus' radio show] going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them muthafuckas say we in the same league as him."

      Snoop did say, though, that the media needs to treat Imus as it treats some MCs (or football players, even).

      "Kick him off the air forever," he said. "Ban him like they did [Adam] 'Pacman' Jones. They kicked him out the [National Football] League for the whole season [for numerous violations of the NFL's personal-conduct policy, including multiple arrests], but this punk gets to get on the air and call black women 'nappy-headed ho's.' "

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      • PlexiBrown
        Commando
        • Mar 2006
        • 1264

        #4
        Snoop Says Rappers And Imus Are 'Two Separate Things';
        Bullshit. And I can't stand Imus.
        And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Genesis 21:17

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        • Little Texan
          Full Member Status

          • Jan 2004
          • 4579

          #5
          I didn't see what the big deal was, myself. When I turned on ESPN and heard them talking about Imus making some racist remarks, I thought what did he say? Then I heard the playback of Imus making the remarks, and I thought Is that all he said? Why's that even news? So he called them nappy headed ho's, BIG FUCKING DEAL! People are so thin skinned and easily offended these days. What did they expect from Imus? He says outrageous shit all the time...HELLO, he's a SHOCK JOCK, that's what shock jocks do! These idiots like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton live for moments like these...they just love it when a white guy says shit like that so they can milk it for what it's worth and stir up a bunch of shit over nothing...make a mountain out of a molehill.

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            #6
            Jesse Jackson is extorting the companies that sponsor the Imus show.

            Snoop is full of shit. His calling certain women "hos" is no different than what Imus did.

            And I hate Imus also.

            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • Ellyllions
              Veteran
              • Mar 2006
              • 2012

              #7
              When I "saw" Imus on tv when all of this started, I laughed so hard that I literally had to sit down.

              I had no idea who the guy was before this as I stay away from all the "shock-jocks" (Stern was the first), and "hate" radio (Colmes included) jocks.

              But to look at Imus and know that he had the gall to say ANYTHING derogatory about someone else's looks, and then that ANYONE would give him any attention for it is absolutely HILARIOUS!

              The Jib-Jab spot has it right, "This is what we call the news!"
              "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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              • Ellyllions
                Veteran
                • Mar 2006
                • 2012

                #8
                ...oh the discrimination

                Snoop Pleads No Contest in Gun, Pot Case
                Apr 11, 4:54 PM EST

                The Associated Press

                LOS ANGELES -- A stone-faced Snoop Dogg pleaded no contest to felony gun and drug charges Wednesday and avoided what could have been a year-long prison sentence.

                The 35-year-old rapper, born Cordozar Calvin Broadus Jr., agreed to five years' probation and 800 hours of community service. He faced charges of gun possession by a felon and sale or transportation of marijuana.

                He said little other than "no contest" when the charges were read.

                Snoop Dogg's recent arrests marked the end of a relatively long trouble-free stretch for the rapper. He has burnished his image in recent years with appearances in mainstream movies and by starting a youth football league.

                He was arrested at Bob Hope Airport in Burbank Oct. 26 on suspicion of transporting marijuana. Police later found a gun at his home. If convicted at trial he could have faced up to four years in prison.

                Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Terry Smerling placed conditions on the probation, including that only 400 hours of the community service could involve the youth football league.

                The judge also ruled that Snoop Dogg could not have any gang members in his entourage and must notify the probation department before leaving the state. The rapper must also provide authorities a DNA sample and he must have a medical permit if he uses marijuana.

                The rapper caused a sensation when he arrived in a fur-collared black leather jacket, T-shirt and sequined jeans.

                Teenagers screeched when the music star strutted down a hallway to the courtroom. Court security ordered them to stop taking pictures.

                Defense attorney Donald Etra said outside court that Snoop Dogg smokes marijuana because he has migraines and has a medical permit under state law.

                Etra said Snoop Dogg's security staff and drivers are all currently licensed by the state and they and his entourage do not include gang members.

                "Snoop's position is he wants to give children and teenagers an example to follow," Etra said of the football league.

                Etra said that Snoop Dogg "recognizes he got a great deal" given his prior convictions.

                If he violates probation he will be sentenced to three years in state prison.

                The two charges to which he pleaded do not count as strikes under the three-strikes law because they did not involve violence, said district attorney's spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons.

                Snoop Dogg also faces separate felony charges stemming from the Sept. 27 discovery of a collapsible baton in his computer bag by a security screener at John Wayne Airport in Orange County.

                Authorities allege the baton was a dangerous weapon. Snoop Dogg has said it was a prop for a video he was filming in New York and pleaded not guilty.

                Etra called those charges "bogus."

                "We intend to vigorously defend them," the attorney said.

                Snoop Dogg was convicted in 1990 of cocaine possession and charged with gun possession after a 1993 traffic stop. He pleaded guilty in exchange for three years' probation and a promise to make public-service announcements against violence.

                He was acquitted of a murder charge in 1996 after the death of an alleged street-gang member killed by gunfire from the vehicle in which Snoop Dogg was traveling.






                *I think my favorite part of this whole debacle is "he must have a medical permit if he uses marijuana". Boy that's our judicial system at work right there because medical permits are SO hard for celebs to get in California.

                CAN YOU HEAR MY EYES ROLLING?

                Yep, Snoop is just the person to be asking his thoughts on Imus! Good work there media professionals.
                "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                • bueno bob
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 22951

                  #9
                  "...are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing shit, that's trying to get a nigga for his money."

                  - Oh, OK. So Snoop asserts then that one black person doesn't deserve the same treatment and/or respect any other does? Or is it just that black men in Snoop's world are generally superior to black women, and/or women in general?

                  "These are two separate things. First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls."

                  - Nope, you're just a rich, young black man who's made a tremendous amount of money by "going hard" on girls (err, bitches and hos, sorry) album after album. I see his point, him and his peers are of much higher character.

                  "We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel."

                  - What, then, do you feel? Hatred? Mysogeny? Disgust? Contempt? Just for black women from "da hood" who "try to get a niggas money" or just for women in general? I could debate whether or not there's any real musicianship from the mind/soul involved into spewing forth a diatribe of half-assed racist/sexist "poetry" over computerized sampling, but that's beside the point I guess...

                  "I will not let them muthafuckas say we in the same league as him."

                  - Gonna go put a cap in his ass?

                  What a fucking idiot.
                  Twistin' by the pool.

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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10625

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bueno bob
                    "...are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing shit, that's trying to get a nigga for his money."

                    - Oh, OK. So Snoop asserts then that one black person doesn't deserve the same treatment and/or respect any other does? Or is it just that black men in Snoop's world are generally superior to black women, and/or women in general?

                    "These are two separate things. First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls."

                    - Nope, you're just a rich, young black man who's made a tremendous amount of money by "going hard" on girls (err, bitches and hos, sorry) album after album. I see his point, him and his peers are of much higher character.

                    "We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel."

                    - What, then, do you feel? Hatred? Mysogeny? Disgust? Contempt? Just for black women from "da hood" who "try to get a niggas money" or just for women in general? I could debate whether or not there's any real musicianship from the mind/soul involved into spewing forth a diatribe of half-assed racist/sexist "poetry" over computerized sampling, but that's beside the point I guess...

                    "I will not let them muthafuckas say we in the same league as him."

                    - Gonna go put a cap in his ass?

                    What a fucking idiot.
                    Well said.

                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • Ellyllions
                      Veteran
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 2012

                      #11
                      One word of advice though....if you're white you're not allowed to say the "N" word wether in print or elsewhere. But if you're black it's accepted speech.

                      So again, Snoop is the PERFECT person to respond on this matter.
                      "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                      • BigBadBrian
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10625

                        #12
                        Free Speech Double Standard
                        By Cal Thomas
                        Thursday, April 12, 2007


                        Talk show host Don Imus has been suspended for two weeks from the CBS radio network and MSNBC's simulcast of that show because he touched the "third rail" of free speech: he insulted African Americans, some of whose self-appointed "leaders" have a direct line to the media to express their outrage.In fact, outrage is the primary currency of the Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Without it, no one would ask them to come on their programs.

                        Imus' remarks about black women on the Rutgers University female basketball team were the same kind of stuff (and worse) that one can hear in hip-hop "music." Hip-hop "artists," who are mostly black men, frequently demean black women. Their lyrics approve of rape and other violent acts against black women, who are referred to as "hos" and "b------," and other names that cannot be printed here.

                        Imus' comments about the Rutgers women were offensive by the standards that used to exist in America. The hypocrisy comes when people who have "pushed the envelope" beyond what used to be called acceptable boundaries of taste and community standards now appeal to the standards they helped to eliminate. Corporate executives who trade in the worst of the hip-hop filth are not required to apologize or stop polluting the airwaves as well as minds and hearts with their filth. That's because it makes them gobs of money and money covers a multitude of "sins."

                        The hypocrisy extends to Jesse Jackson, who appeared on Fox News Channel. In an interview with John Gibson, Jackson criticized Imus for his remarks. It would have been a good moment for Gibson to ask Jackson if he felt empathy for Imus, since Jackson once called New York City "Hymietown," which many regarded as an anti-Semitic slur, but Gibson did not bring it up.

                        Like Michael Richards, who launched a racist tirade at an audience member during a stand-up comedy routine, Imus is now doing the apology tour. He groveled on Sharpton's radio show, saying he meant no offense and acted as priest and penitent by declaring himself "a good man."

                        It will never satisfy until people whose careers are built on taking offense have extracted his last pound of flesh and worn out their welcome on the cable TV shows. That will happen when the media tire of the Anna Nicole Smith story.

                        Where are the First Amendment defenders in all this? They have fled Imus as if he's radioactive. Jackson suggested that the famous journalists who appear on Imus stop showing up in order to register their displeasure over his remarks. Will they? Most are liberals who might be expected to share the outrage over Imus' comments. But all have egos and the stroking they get from Imus, along with the feedback they receive from those who matter to them, may overcome any reluctance they might otherwise have to appear on his show.

                        During the 1980s, social conservatives who tried to control pornography, including that subsidized by the National Endowment for the Arts, were told such things were the price we must all pay for a "healthy First Amendment." Artists must be free to express themselves. If certain people object to what is on TV, they can change channels, or turn it off.

                        Why aren't these keepers of the First Amendment flame coming to the defense of Don Imus? It's because they have a double standard. Evangelical Christians, practicing Roman Catholics, politically conservative Republicans, home-schoolers and others who are not in favor among the liberal elite are frequent targets for the left. Anything may be said about them, and it frequently is. But let someone insult the left's "protected classes," be they African Americans, homosexuals or to a lesser extent, adherents to the religion of "global warming," and they must be silenced and punished.

                        Was Don Imus racially insensitive and offensive? According to my standards, he was. But my standards no longer matter. They have been thrown overboard in favor of a different philosophy. Call it "Anything Goes." Look up the lyrics to that classic Cole Porter song and you have the mentality that passes for contemporary communication and entertainment.

                        If the Imus case went to trial, no jury in the land would convict him because the prosecutor would not have a universal standard by which to hold him accountable.
                        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                        • Ellyllions
                          Veteran
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 2012

                          #13
                          Well, I'm not gonna whitewash it. It was disrespectful that the old geezer was talking about College aged girls in such a dergatory manner. No matter what color they were. BUT, it's really being made into a mountain.

                          Right now, Raleigh/Durham is ALIVE with the announcement of the charges being dropped on the Duke LaCrosse players. And it's turning into a race issue quickly.

                          The Blacks here think an injustice has been done because the players are white. The Whites want a public apology from Sharpton and Jackson who rushed to speak on this when it happened.

                          But what I don't understand is that no one is blaming the true criminal here and it seems to be the case when race issues are brought up.

                          Mike Nifong clamoured on the backs of the Blacks in Durham by tampering with evidence, clearly obstructing justice, and media whoring just to use this case to get the black vote during the election. But who do they blame? The LaCrosse player's parents MONEY and color.

                          And it seems that this is always the case, the wrong person gets the blame just to make the sensationalism greater.

                          Just you wait, there will be an echo for months on how racially discriminatory the media outlets who were carrying Imus were. The whole attention will be taken away from Imus even though he's the REAL bad guy in all of this.
                          "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                          • bueno bob
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 22951

                            #14
                            "The hypocrisy extends to Jesse Jackson, who appeared on Fox News Channel. In an interview with John Gibson, Jackson criticized Imus for his remarks. It would have been a good moment for Gibson to ask Jackson if he felt empathy for Imus, since Jackson once called New York City "Hymietown," which many regarded as an anti-Semitic slur, but Gibson did not bring it up."

                            - Of course he didn't. That would have been an honest, fair question, sure; I for one would like to know the answer to it very much. But John Gibson...his career would have been over in a heartbeat, period. Being immediately fired would have been the best possible outcome he probably could have hoped for.

                            "Like Michael Richards, who launched a racist tirade at an audience member during a stand-up comedy routine, Imus is now doing the apology tour. He groveled on Sharpton's radio show, saying he meant no offense and acted as priest and penitent by declaring himself "a good man."

                            - Now, here's what you have to ask yourself, seriously. If you went to a standup comedian and heckled him (Chris Rock, for example), and he tore into you, calling you "Cracker", "White Trash", "Honkey", et al (whatever other racial insults he could muster, and having seen Chris Rock doing standup, I'm fairly sure he could come up with a few), would he then be forced to go out on an "apology tour", speaking to the self-proclaimed "leaders" of whites (whoever they might be, I certainly don't know) and apologize for being racially insensitive? Of course he wouldn't. And he wouldn't be held accountable for it by anyone, either.

                            Here is the honest truth - when a white man insults someone of any other race, it's hell to pay, as has been evidenced time and time again. When white people are the butt of racial insensitivity, it's called stand up comedy.

                            Before anybody can talk about equality among the races, the same standard MUST apply to everybody, black, white, red - everyone.
                            Twistin' by the pool.

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                            • PumpedUpMidget
                              Head Fluffer
                              • May 2005
                              • 469

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bueno bob
                              Here is the honest truth - when a white man insults someone of any other race, it's hell to pay, as has been evidenced time and time again. When white people are the butt of racial insensitivity, it's called stand up comedy.

                              Before anybody can talk about equality among the races, the same standard MUST apply to everybody, black, white, red - everyone.
                              What it all boils down to....Great post, Bob....

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