McCain Backs Gun Rights After Shootings

[Nickdfresh]

I'm pretty sure it was Ted's ego, which arrived to band practice about ten minutes before he did...

[scamper]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Do you really believe this guy was going to kill 33 people with a screwdriver?

Timothy McVeigh

[FORD]

Originally posted by scamper
Timothy McVeigh

If somebody comes to your farming supply store and orders a couple TONS of fertilizer, then he better be able to answer some serious questions about farming.

And if he's buying blasting caps at the same time, call the fucking cops/FBI/ATF/CIA whomever.

[Nitro Express]

The other day my dad was telling me he used to go down and buy dynamite at the farmers co-op. Anyone could buy it in those days. It was illegal to fish with dynamite. LOL!

We used to use potasium nitrate fertilizer to blast stumps out of the ground on my uncle's farm. You can use it to rot stumps out of too. I don't think they sell it anymore after the McViegh bomb tragedy.

He had 2000 pounds of it.

[Nitro Express]

There have been some excellent advances in non-lethal weapons in the past few years. The military went from a 45 caliber bullet to a 38 caliber bullet. They found out the 38 didn't have the shocking power the 45 did. Now they are learning the same lesson in Iraq. When you enemy is armed with an assault rifle and he's right there, you need something to knock him on his ass.

22 Long Rifle rimfire rounds are amazingly deadly for their size but they aren't going to shock anyone like a 45 ACP will. You can die from both but the 45 will take you out of the fight.

Can we take someone out of the fight without killing them? Sure. Hit them with big plugs of rubber, chemical and pepper bullets from a CO2 powered machine gun.

With non-lethal weapons we can have more people at the ready with them. People will be more willing to use them because killing a person is psycologically hard on most people. It's safter for bystanders.

Look at what happens to Johnny Knoxville in Jackass when he gets shot with a beanbag out of a 12 guage shotgun. It put him down on the floor in plenty of pain.

It's putting them out of the fight. You could hit a gunman with a eventually lethal round but unless you take him out of the fight now, he has the chance to kill.

some people might say the non-lethal route is the whimpy route but it allows more people to carry weapons and have them ready to take the next badguy out of the fight. The LAPD has been using some of the new non-lethal weapons to good effect.

It sure beats having non-armed people at the mercy of a person with a gun. Put the fucker down like Johnny Knoxville and stomp his ass.

Even the US Marines are looking into using some of these new non-lethal weapon options.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by scamper
Timothy McVeigh

Yeah um, that was a meticulously planned terrorist attack.

It's tough to mug someone, or shoot an estranged girlfriend with fertilizer bombs (which incidentally, is a controlled substance, along with explosives)...

[scamper]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Yeah um, that was a meticulously planned terrorist attack.

Not trying to argue, but this guy seemed to have a long thoughtout plan also.

[scamper]

"thoughtout"? see I couldn't argue if I tried.