Smoking Bans are Fascist

[Lqskdiver]

How about spraying gas on pot smokers?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
How about spraying gas on pot smokers?

Once you can prove anyone has ever died from smoking pot, we can discuss that.

And the worst thing you would get from second hand pot smoke is a contact high.

[Ellyllions]

Um...one joint has 3 times the tar in it.

...Just had to interject that there....

If cigarette smoke irritates your allergies, then what does smoking pot do to them? Nothing? Well that's because the shit is gluing your bronchi together with tar.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by binnie
Anyone know anyone who has died as a result of second hand smoke?

Thought not.

Exactly!

I wish I didn't smoke so I could make this argument more strongly without seeming predjudiced.

I was with an American in Buenos Aires at a restaurant outside and the guy started screaming at a couple who were walking along smoking 50 feet away.

He smoked 3 packs a day for 30 years up until a couple of years ago.

I bet the reastaurant idiot mentioned earlier in the thread was an ex smoker. Ignoring the kids thing which is fine, smoking Nazi's are divided between hypochondriacs and ex smokers who still crave nicotine. The latter particularly annoy me because the hypocrisy is astonishing. That cunt Bloomberg is an ex smoker.

We were told forever that over 99% of people who got lung cancer were smokers. How come now all of a sudden there is this bunch of super delicate people like FORD that collapse in the presence of some smoke?

If you can't cope with a bit of second hand smoke then basically you are fighting against natural selection and shouldn't be able to survive anyway. You are too weak and not good for the species.

Seriously though the anti smoking nazi shit is out of control. If it was so fucking terrible then all we need is that smoking is illegal in public areas without them getting a smoking license. To get it maybe they should have to provide good AC or whatever. The delicate people could just avoid such places.

Last year we got the hardcore no fucking nonsence NYC/Irish smoking ban. If for example you are a truck driver who owns his own truck it's illegal for you to smoke in it as that's a place of business. It became illegal for me to smoke in my office even although I owned the business and all my staff also smoked.

Like the majority of smokers I am sensitive about it. My kids have never even seen me smoke never mind caught some fumes. Even if I'm outside walking along the road and I see someone walking towards me with a kid I cross the road.

There's an inevitability about this though which comes down to 2/3rds banning 1/3 completely. Half of Europe, California and NYC have already done it and I think in a couple of years time the only place you will be able to smoke in a bar will be in South America or Africa.

Oh and FORD as regards the peanut allergy, nuts are banned on planes so it does affect other people but fortunately nuts aren't yet banned from the intermet.

Cheers!

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by binnie
I really couldn't care less if people want to kill themselves, and make a huge donation to the treasury whilst they're at it...

In the UK, where cigarettes are over £5 ($10) a pack, the tax revenue from them was about £8 billion last I heard.

Puff away people, puff away.

That argument ignores the huge cost to society in the form of increased health care costs due to smoking-related diseases.

We all pay for it.

Still, banning smoking in all public places and some private businesses isn't the answer. Education is the best solution to a difficult problem.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Um...one joint has 3 times the tar in it.

...Just had to interject that there....

If cigarette smoke irritates your allergies, then what does smoking pot do to them? Nothing? Well that's because the shit is gluing your bronchi together with tar.

Yup. Actually the data I've read was that a joint was the eqiuvalent of 5 cigarettes.

[Nickdfresh]

Who gives a shit about pot...

If somebody smokes it and blows the shit in your face, get a cop!

And I'm not advocating gassing smokers with simply more of the ingredients that they're ingesting anyhoo... Nor am I saying they should be completely banned everywhere...

But I have rights too, and they include not partaking into somebody's bad habit. It's their choice, their lungs. And it's my choice.

[Lqskdiver]

Originally posted by FORD
Once you can prove anyone has ever died from smoking pot, we can discuss that.

Yeah, something told you'd come to the defense of the ganga. Listen, dopey, once you realize that cannabis makes you paranoid, you can slowly start weening off of it.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
That argument ignores the huge cost to society in the form of increased health care costs due to smoking-related diseases.

We all pay for it.

I'm surprised to read this post from an American.

It is the scary argument here where we have free health care.

The reaon I find the argument scary is that it is equally applicable to a ton of shit like dangerous sports, eating pizza, booze, not taking enough exercise etc.

To me NONE of that has anything to do with government.

Also incidently in a welfare state country like the UK or Canada smokers save the taxpayers a ton of cash by not living long.

A lot of the anti smoking facists seem to forget that we all die of something. The most expensive thing that you can get is some dribbling 90 year old ex lawyer living in a state old folks home who if they had smoked could have died in a massive heart attack at 65 costing us all fuck all.

It's a dumb argument.

Cheers!

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by FORD
Once you can prove anyone has ever died from smoking pot, we can discuss that.

And the worst thing you would get from second hand pot smoke is a contact high.

Maybe not die, but the rising levels of THC are helping to onset paranoia and schizophrenia in some users. So there are chances that enough secondhand pot smoke can help trigger that in non-pot smokers.

[Seshmeister]

With all due respect second hand mental illness from pot is total fucking bullshit.

[Lqskdiver]

Look weed slows down reflexes and dulls the senses. It also heightens the sense of parania and leads to halluciations. If you want to go through life in an altered state of mind, that is your choice.

But you can't say that those around you are not affected by your actions. Can't say much about second hand smoke, cuz I think you have to be in a glass jar to contract a high.

But the implications itself is enough to stop. It's illegal. Plain and simple. One drop in our bloodstream and urine is enough to get you fired or keep from getting hired from your dream job.

Unless your dream job is working as a carny or at a incense shop.

[Nickdfresh]

Um yeah, I've never even heard that. And frankly, the whole contact high thing is way overstated and generally amounts to nothing.

Believe me, I've tried!

And you need to smoke it once or twice before pot even affects you...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Look weed slows down reflexes and dulls the senses. It also heightens the sense of parania and leads to halluciations. If you want to go through life in an altered state of mind, that is your choice.

...

Sounds like the remaining supporters of the Bush administration.

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by binnie
Anyone know anyone who has died as a result of second hand smoke?

Thought not.

Hm, I know someone who has developed cancer and the doctors point at his smoker wife as the primary cause. Think before you decide who I do and don't know.

His cancer is one of the rarest kinds (of its type, less than 1% of all cases develop into it), incredibly malignant and completely untreatable. He has been given 3 months to live, 18 max if they give him radiation therapy for the rest of his life.

You want to poison yourself? Go right ahead. Be considerate of others and do it outside.