Internment Camps, Power Grab,WTF?

[Lqskdiver]

Originally posted by FORD
And if anyone believes that a mostly fictional band of cave dwelling imbeciles has the capability of such a nuclear attack, then you'll believe the lie they use to justify the concentration camps as well.

I guess we should ignore them, maybe they'll just leave us alone.
Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.

We don't want to cause a panic and upset the Civil liberties of honest working citizens such as yourself.

Isn't that was said before 911?

[FORD]

You must be referring to the 52 warnings the BCE ignored in 2001, right?

Or perhaps the recommendations that Vice President Gore made in 1996 which were IGNORED by the Republican congress?

Or maybe the BCE firing FBI agent John O'Neill when he was investigating ties between the Saudi government and a "charity" operated by two of Osama's brothers??

Of course he's not talking much these days either. I wonder who told him about that job opening?

[Lqskdiver]

Originally posted by FORD
You must be referring to the 52 warnings the BCE ignored in 2001, right?

Or perhaps the recommendations that Vice President Gore made in 1996 which were IGNORED by the Republican congress?

Or maybe the BCE firing FBI agent John O'Neill when he was investigating ties between the Saudi government and a "charity" operated by two of Osama's brothers??

Of course he's not talking much these days either. I wonder who told him about that job opening?

That's right. HOOK. LINE. SINKER.

You've just made my point.

Before 911 they were called warnings. Now, they are tools of the administration to incite fear.

You can spin all you want, my friend, but most can see through your line of bs. Save it for the uninformed.

[ELVIS]

FORD yearns for the pre-internet days...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
I guess we should ignore them, maybe they'll just leave us alone.
Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.

We don't want to cause a panic and upset the Civil liberties of honest working citizens such as yourself.

Isn't that was said before 911?

Yeah, let's all become a fascist police state after a nice terrorist Reichstag burning!

BTW, you keep saying "ignore." No one is ignoring anything.

In fact, tell me how many people have actually been prosecuted on the ACTUAL "terrorist" charges they were brought in with.

I reckon it's almost nil...

Hitlerific!!



Remember kids, dressing like Hitler, and enacting legislation eerily reminiscent of his policies, isn't cool!

[Nickdfresh]

Is There Still a Terrorist Threat?: The Myth of the Omnipresent Enemy
John Mueller
From Foreign Affairs, September/October 2006

Summary: Despite all the ominous warnings of wily terrorists and imminent attacks, there has been neither a successful strike nor a close call in the United States since 9/11. The reasonable -- but rarely heard -- explanation is that there are no terrorists within the United States, and few have the means or the inclination to strike from abroad.

...

On the first page of its founding manifesto, the massively funded Department of Homeland Security intones, "Today's terrorists can strike at any place, at any time, and with virtually any weapon."

But if it is so easy to pull off an attack and if terrorists are so demonically competent, why have they not done it? Why have they not been sniping at people in shopping centers, collapsing tunnels, poisoning the food supply, cutting electrical lines, derailing trains, blowing up oil pipelines, causing massive traffic jams, or exploiting the countless other vulnerabilities that, according to security experts, could so easily be exploited?

One reasonable explanation is that almost no terrorists exist in the United States and few have the means or the inclination to strike from abroad. But this explanation is rarely offered.

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Intelligence estimates in 2002 held that there were as many as 5,000 al Qaeda terrorists and supporters in the United States. However, a secret FBI report in 2005 wistfully noted that although the bureau had managed to arrest a few bad guys here and there after more than three years of intense and well-funded hunting, it had been unable to identify a single true al Qaeda sleeper cell anywhere in the country. Thousands of people in the United States have had their overseas communications monitored under a controversial warrantless surveillance program. Of these, fewer than ten U.S. citizens or residents per year have aroused enough suspicion to impel the agencies spying on them to seek warrants authorizing surveillance of their domestic communications as well; none of this activity, it appears, has led to an indictment on any charge whatever.

In addition to massive eavesdropping and detention programs, every year some 30,000 "national security letters" are issued without judicial review, forcing businesses and other institutions to disclose confidential information about their customers without telling anyone they have done so. That process has generated thousands of leads that, when pursued, have led nowhere. Some 80,000 Arab and Muslim immigrants have been subjected to fingerprinting and registration, another 8,000 have been called in for interviews with the FBI, and over 5,000 foreign nationals have been imprisoned in initiatives designed to prevent terrorism. This activity, notes the Georgetown University law professor David Cole, has not resulted in a single conviction for a terrorist crime. In fact, only a small number of people picked up on terrorism charges -- always to great official fanfare -- have been convicted at all, and almost all of these convictions have been for other infractions, particularly immigration violations. Some of those convicted have clearly been mental cases or simply flaunting jihadist bravado -- rattling on about taking down the Brooklyn Bridge with a blowtorch, blowing up the Sears Tower if only they could get to Chicago, beheading the prime minister of Canada, or flooding lower Manhattan by somehow doing something terrible to one of those tunnels.
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But while keeping such potential dangers in mind, it is worth remembering that the total number of people killed since 9/11 by al Qaeda or al Qaeda_like operatives outside of Afghanistan and Iraq is not much higher than the number who drown in bathtubs in the United States in a single year, and that the lifetime chance of an American being killed by international terrorism is about one in 80,000 -- about the same chance of being killed by a comet or a meteor. Even if there were a 9/11-scale attack every three months for the next five years, the likelihood that an individual American would number among the dead would be two hundredths of a percent (or one in 5,000).

Although it remains heretical to say so, the evidence so far suggests that fears of the omnipotent terrorist -- reminiscent of those inspired by images of the 20-foot-tall Japanese after Pearl Harbor or the 20-foot-tall Communists at various points in the Cold War (particularly after Sputnik) -- may have been overblown, the threat presented within the United States by al Qaeda greatly exaggerated. The massive and expensive homeland security apparatus erected since 9/11 may be persecuting some, spying on many, inconveniencing most, and taxing all to defend the United States against an enemy that scarcely exists.

The full article is here.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.

A fine synopsis of the Bush Administration's agenda for their first 9 months in office.

Three cheers for LittleQueenSuckdiver!

[Lqskdiver]

Glad to be back on your radar, DC.

I'll be sure to stay away from the gay references. I've noticed it's kind of a touchy subject around you.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Glad to be back on your radar, DC.

I'll be sure to stay away from the gay references. I've noticed it's kind of a touchy subject around you.

I got no problem with your gay shit. Your latent homosexuality is quite amusing. Suck away, yo!

I again point you to your comments and compare them to the Bush Administration's early days. I can see why you would rather go gay than discuss that.

[Lqskdiver]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Your latent homosexuality is quite amusing. Suck away, yo!
that.

I figured you'd come back with a quirky response involving penile manipulation. You can't seem to leave it out of the discussion.

Anyway, my point to FORD was his hypocrisy in pointing out the warnings given before 911 compared to the "terror tactics" being implemented now. These detention centers being discussed is just that...discussions. But the opposition is quick to point out Hitler similiarities and offer colorful commentary on how we are headed down the Nazi path.

I guess what I'm trying to say is most feel safe when "THEIR" party is in office. It's what it boils down to isn't.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
I figured you'd come back with a quirky response involving penile manipulation. You can't seem to leave it out of the discussion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is most feel safe when "THEIR" party is in office. It's what it boils down to isn't.

You brought it up, sweet cheeks. I called you out on your bizzare descriptions of gay sex and now you just cannot leave it alone. Ha ha!

There is a difference between feeling safer and actually being safe.

Originally posted by Lqskdiver
Ignore the one's training to fly planes.
Ignore the millions in wire transfers.
Ignore the missing plutonium or enrichment programs.

The Bush Admin are gulty of all of the above. Your first two items, of course, apply to 911. The second to the so-called axis of evil.

Remember 911 happened on Bush's watch.

[Ellyllions]

All of you who are thinking this is more Bush tyranny, ponder this...

Will the idea of all of this happening bother you when there is a Democrat in the Presidency?

If you answered "no" to that question, I have another for you...
What are you worried about? This is only a contingency strategy at this point. By the time any of it gets acted upon there will be someone else in the high seat.

If you answered "yes" to the first question...
Is it really Bush that's got you concerned, or were you worried when the media announced that stores of supplies for a nuclear attack were being put under the Brooklyn Bridge in the '80's. (they're still there btw)

My feelings...the threat of a nuclear attack (or even an accident like Chernobyl) grows every year. As long as nuclear is being used, there is a need for a plan in the event of a catastrophe. There wasn't a rock solid plan for what happened in NO with Katrina and the levees and look how it turned out.

I dunno, I'm a planning kinda person so I have no real issues with knowing that our government is taking some action to plan for the worst possible scenerio. I've worked bombing raid practice runs in a spit of a town in the middle of the Appalchain mountains...I know it's necessary and that anything can happen.

[FORD]

Chimpy seizing dictatorial powers and locking up American citizens in concentration camps isn't my definition of "emergency planning".

And what makes this part of Chimp tyranny, is that no other President ever came up with such a fascist plan and then tried to justifiy it under "emergency response".

Clinton may have had his faults (and I don't mean Monica) but at least FEMA worked when he was in office. The response to Hurricane Andrew (which was considered the worst hurricane disaster before Katrina) is a perfect example.

Bottom line is that helping people is not the BCE's concern. Consolidating power is.

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by FORD
And if anyone believes that a mostly fictional band of cave dwelling imbeciles has the capability of such a nuclear attack, then you'll believe the lie they use to justify the concentration camps as well.

Right there is the arrogance that keeps me from changing my voter registration card to Democrat. You think we're better, smarter, and more powerful than them. I DON'T. It shows how much in posts like this one, and the Democratic party is supposed to be the "people's party"? Are you fucking kidding with this shit?

Lemme tell you something, those savage, naked indians kicked the SHIT out of the hoyty toyty, well-dressed British soldiers. They use primitive yet effective tactics to even make a whole colony disappear. And just like you, the British thought the Indians were a lower form of life that couldn't possibly be intelligent enough to take them out.

So you and your croonies better jump down off that evolutionary, societal high horse and take a good look around. Cause those "cave-dwelling-imbeciles" will cut your head off faster than you can piss your pants. Cause face to face with one of them.... you would.

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by FORD
Chimpy seizing dictatorial powers and locking up American citizens in concentration camps isn't my definition of "emergency planning".

And what makes this part of Chimp tyranny, is that no other President ever came up with such a fascist plan and then tried to justifiy it under "emergency response".

Clinton may have had his faults (and I don't mean Monica) but at least FEMA worked when he was in office. The response to Hurricane Andrew (which was considered the worst hurricane disaster before Katrina) is a perfect example.

Bottom line is that helping people is not the BCE's concern. Consolidating power is.

FORD, by the time this were to get enacted BCE won't be in the President's seat anymore!!! Unless you can show proof that it's happening now, today.

I'd hate to ship your ass back to WWII and see how you'd react to Japanese-Americans getting put into camps. Cause they did, it has happened before.....do you think that was a good reason?

What will you complain about then? You didn't answer my question from yesterday!