The bible states that Van Halen are a disgrace

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Sesh: you're forgetting the fertility symbolism such as the Easter "eggs," bunnies (as in fuck like a rabbit), and the other symbols of spring (rebirth -- risen from the grave)...

I'll remember to read that out in court... :D

[Seshmeister]

Watch this space

Sesh Ltd v. Superstitious Godhheads is going to be a landmark case quoted all the time by Harvard law students in the future.

[DR CHIP]

Sesh, there are people who are non-Christian that do talk about Jesus.

Tacitus stated in his writing about the great Roman fire a phrase that doesn't seem to question Jesus and his existence:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular."

Josephus, who was a Jewish historian, also states that Jesus lived. These quotes are from his Antiquities of the Jews

"convened the judges of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others. He accused them of having transgressed the law and delivered them up to be stoned."

"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and [he] was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive"

Now...are these enough to PROVE anything....nope. But there are sources outside Christianity that speak of an actual person named Jesus, who seems to mirror the Jesus of the Bible. I always have looked at it this way, there is enough evidence to keep the faithful believing, but not enough to convince the sceptic. Isn't that why God requires faith not fact?

Peace

[Panamark]

Jesus has long hair and a beard you heathens !

No matter who is doing the spin, I've seen all the merchandise
since the 60's !

[Panamark]

And yes, reports say he will use a headset on his next tour !!

[ZahZoo]

And yes, reports say he will use a headset on his next tour !!

Insider reports indicate that the evil Bluetooth headset may be in play...

[Seshmeister]

Sesh, there are people who are non-Christian that do talk about Jesus.

Tacitus stated in his writing about the great Roman fire a phrase that doesn't seem to question Jesus and his existence:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular."

Josephus, who was a Jewish historian, also states that Jesus lived. These quotes are from his Antiquities of the Jews

"convened the judges of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others. He accused them of having transgressed the law and delivered them up to be stoned."

"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and [he] was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive"

Now...are these enough to PROVE anything....nope. But there are sources outside Christianity that speak of an actual person named Jesus, who seems to mirror the Jesus of the Bible. I always have looked at it this way, there is enough evidence to keep the faithful believing, but not enough to convince the sceptic. Isn't that why God requires faith not fact?

Peace

That second Josephus quote, the Testimonium Flavianum, has been debunked as a forgery by most scholars since the 1800s. It shows just how little evidence there is for Jesus even existing that its still being quoted.

It's also very important to realise that someone 2000 years ago writing that Jesus was resurrected is as good evidence as Ron Hubbard writing that 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes.

Cheers

[kwame k]

Insider reports indicate that the evil Bluetooth headset may be in play...

Satan is truly amongst us

[DR CHIP]

Don't disagree about the Ron Hubbard stuff and good catch on the Josephus forgery. Seriously good catch! It still is my point that there are sources outside the Bible that talk of Jesus, however small they may be. Those accounts, to me and my vantage point, seem to indicate an "outside of Christianity" source, but i readily concede my presuppositions lend to my conclusions. Make sense?

At the end of the day all belief in God is faith based and cannot be proven in an empirical sense. I think we all come from different presuppositions and they inform the way we see the world. I happen to believe, but I do not criticize anyone who doesn't. Quite frankly, I may be wrong! I appreciate the civility in the posts and I assure you I come in peace.

I am however headed to see that Van Halen you speak of.....in NY . So whatever problem there may be in the Bible, I must be missing it.

As you say, cheers.

[Hardrock69]

There are almost no sources outside the Bible that talk about Jesus. He has a brief mention in the Koran, but that was written after 600 A.D.

Josephus did not write his History Of The Jews, or anything else, for that matter, until after the Jewish revolt of 69 A.D. I have a groovy book that is called "The Complete Works Of Flavius Josephus".

It is a fact that there has been NOTHING written about Jesus by anyone who was actually ever in the presence of the man, nor has there been anything written about Jesus that was written while he was alive.

It is very peculiar anyway that last bit...as the Romans were meticulous record-keepers, and one would expect there to be at least some kind of mention of him during the latter period of his life when his presence was thought (at least in Biblical stories anyway) to be a threat to the Roman occupation of Israel at the time.

Am getting ready to eat dinner, but I can provide a detailed listing of all known mentions of Jesus from after his death until several hundred years later.

In all actuality, there is so little written about Jesus outside the Bible that there is a good case for him being a fictional character. There has never been any real, factual, historical proof that he ever lived.

Even if proof were offered today that he may have lived (Google "The Jesus Family Tomb" for example), hardcore Christians simply will NOT believe he could have lived.

So on the one hand you have all these people who supposedly worship him, but at the mere mention of anything that could historically or archaeologically prove he existed, most Christians start foaming at the mouth and deny it could be fact, and it must somehow be a forgery.

Will return in a little while......

Christians and their fairy tales....tsk tsk....

[dazzlindino]

By John W. Loftus at 2/08/2012




You can believe whatever goofy shit you want-- but if you want us to take your beliefs more seriously than you take the goofy shit that others believe in, you would need to give us the kind of evidence that you would require from them to take their beliefs seriously.

[Seshmeister]

Don't disagree about the Ron Hubbard stuff and good catch on the Josephus forgery. Seriously good catch! It still is my point that there are sources outside the Bible that talk of Jesus, however small they may be. Those accounts, to me and my vantage point, seem to indicate an "outside of Christianity" source, but i readily concede my presuppositions lend to my conclusions. Make sense?

At the end of the day all belief in God is faith based and cannot be proven in an empirical sense. I think we all come from different presuppositions and they inform the way we see the world. I happen to believe, but I do not criticize anyone who doesn't. Quite frankly, I may be wrong! I appreciate the civility in the posts and I assure you I come in peace.

I am however headed to see that Van Halen you speak of.....in NY . So whatever problem there may be in the Bible, I must be missing it.

As you say, cheers.

Just in case anyone reading hasn't noticed yet, this thread was started a few years back.

The thread title was a bit of fun and aimed more at any fundamentalist bible literalist type people but I would imagine very few of them would be Van Halen fans in any case.

An 'explanation' often given for all the evidence against the story as told in the bible is that god has deliberately made the whole thing preposterous so that you have to prove your faith by still believing it.

There is no response that can be given to that apart from a shrug.

[ELVIS]

WTF ??

Not you Sesh...

This entire thread in general...

[DR CHIP]

And my frequenting the Army is about every few years at this point! And yeah Sesh.....WTF with this thread anyway

[DR CHIP]

And my last word: God is love, but better get it in writing.....Stay Frosty