I'm supposed to take money from my family to pay for this...

[WACF]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
What if you have 50 States instead of 13(?) Provinces?

Will there be disparate treatment at the State level?

My bad.

I should of mentioned a Federal standard of service.

You will have minimum standards to meet.

If you can provide better or more so be it.

Naturally...just like us...you have richer States and poorer States.

This is where Federal money will help lift the poorer States up....

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
... The idea of putting restrictions on health care because of choices people have made in life, really runs against the compasionate nature under which socialized medicine was created...

I agree.

In my very first post, I was stating what I (personally) care to pay for and not... That's just my own opinion and since everyone's opinion can be very different on that matter, our health care system cannot be based on that.

I was just making a point to those who don't live with socialized healthcare, showing them the 2 sides of the medal. The opinions on such healthcare programs is a never ending debate EVERYWHERE.

It would be impossible to draw the line as to know who diserves it and who doesn't. And who in hell could be the one to draw that line? Nobody.

When I pass out after a blood test because I haven't had breakfast (just 'cause I'm not hungry in the morning), the nurses do all they can to "bring me back". Do I diserve that? According to my own judgment; NO.
But I'm sure glad someone takes me off that dirty floor!

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
... In my plan nobody has to die. In yours, blonddgirl, seems to me like the obese get a free pass to the afterlife while the kids get a nice light snack.

M

No.

Beleive it or not, as much as I can benefit from all that government "baby help", I don't agree that those benefits should be that big.

Seriously, why would we need to pay only $7.00/day ??? What do you get these days for less than $1.00/hour?
I know couples that make well over 200K/year and they get the same break than the minimum wage single Mom.!

If we'd have to be more responsible for raising our own children AND more responsible for taking care of our own health (in a preventive maner)... that province wouldn't be so fuck'n broke!

[WACF]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
No.

Beleive it or not, as much as I can benefit from all that government "baby help", I don't agree that those benefits should be that big.

Seriously, why would we need to pay only $7.00/day ??? What do you get these days for less than $1.00/hour?
I know couples that make well over 200K/year and they get the same break than the minimum wage single Mom.!

If we'd have to be more responsible for raising our own children AND more responsible for taking care of our own health (in a preventive maner)... that province wouldn't be so fuck'n broke!

Yes...you guys have a serious situation.

The problem is it is going to take deep cuts to do it...political suicide in your province.

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by WACF
Yes...you guys have a serious situation.

The problem is it is going to take deep cuts to do it...political suicide in your province.

This province is trouble, I tell ya!
Socialist to the extreme left, we are being fucked up the ass by all those (ideologist) politicians!

[m_dixon1984]

I'd very much like to see the numbers crunched properly so we could have actual facts on this matter.

What costs the system more? A fat person with health problems early in life and a shortened life expectancy (or a smoker, drug-user, etc) or a healthy person who needs little health care early on but depends on the system later and longer in life.

My feeling is they balance out or come close to it. Blonddgirl, you obviously feel that treating fatties (and others unhealthy by choice) costs the system too much.

I'm willing to change my opinion and reluctantly** support gov't sponsored health initiatives for the obese if it's ever proven that they cost the system more money than longer lived healthy people with normal old age health problems. With the baby boom generation entering retirement i suspect old healthy people may cost more, possibly much, much more.

**I'm actually fully against any gov't intervention. My support would be reluctant because I accept too much gov't intervention in our lives as a matter of course. Ordinarilly, I'd be saying it's my body and it's non of the goverment's god-damned business what I do with it.

Until the costs are proven I expect the gov't to stay out of our personal lives (let the press try to guilt and pressure us into getting healthy - no new taxes or laws will do it) and give us health treatment when we need it, no questions asked (except maybe what you're fatally allergic to; I'll allow that question to be asked).

I understand your desire to encourage a healthy lifestyle, blonddgirl, but should it really be a gov't issue (you did menton supporting gov't programs to encourage healthy living)? Our freedoms are based mostly on our right to self-determination (the pursuit of happiness...not the pursuit of "healthy"ness) and the gov'ts role of protecting that right. I'd rather our gov't focused it's energies on protecting us from our enemies, ensuring the rule of law is maintained, that the right to privacy is preserved, and that our citizens receive medical attention when they need it.

Peace.

M

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
... I understand your desire to encourage a healthy lifestyle, blonddgirl, but should it really be a gov't issue (you did menton supporting gov't programs to encourage healthy living)?...

I think so but again... our health system is much more (if not only) about curing by medication than educating and preventing...

Sometimes, I really wonder if they'd rather see us all dead BEFORE we hit pen$ion age and are in need of geriatric care!

It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!
L.O.L.

[LoungeMachine]

I have a solution.

Nuke Canada.

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
... Our freedoms are based mostly on our right to self-determination (the pursuit of happiness...not the pursuit of "healthy"ness) and the gov'ts role of protecting that right...

The government will keep me happy if they help keep me and my family healthy, that's for sure!
As far as I'm concerned, Healthy DOES = Happy... and I know a lot of people who think that way.

I don't see how someone's freedom would be at stake if they offer a tax break on healthy food and gym. subscriptions?
For exemple, the non-smokers already chose to avoid paying a big amount of tax by not buying those cigarettes and the smokers can still go on paying as they chose.

This will always be a free country where everyone's lifestyle will remain their own personal choice.

We have a lot of problems to solve but FREEDOM... we earned it and we'll keep it!
I'm not worried at all...

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I have a solution.

Nuke Canada.

Let me pack my stuff first...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by blonddgirl777
Let me pack my stuff first...

How long could eyeliner and handcuffs take to pack?

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine


Fuck off you little twat.

I have no reply to anything you say, because you bring NOTHING to the table.

You know nothing of which you speak. You've never owned a home, never owned a business, never had to purchase health insurance for YOURSELF, or employees who work for you.

You don't even know the difference between "socialized" medicine and single-payer healthcare.

Get a job other than busing tables, go to school full-time, or ENLIST.

Quit living off mom and dad, and wasting my time in here, you ignorant cunt.

I work at in child care at the local school district and go to school 14 hours this semester.


Not a busboy, Full-time student.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
I work at in child care at the local school district and go to school 14 hours this semester.


Not a busboy, Full-time student.

Child care?

Frightening thought.

14 hours a semester is fulltime?



That's not the story you gave us earlier....

Welp, regardless....

Stay on topic, know what you're talking about, or STFU.

Is that too hard to understand?

[WACF]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
How long could eyeliner and handcuffs take to pack?

You question a woman's ability to take forever to pack?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by WACF
You question a woman's ability to take forever to pack?

LMAO

What was I thinking....



Which handcuffs to pack alone can take an hour....