JFK Conspiracy Docudrama on the History Channel Now

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by hideyoursheep
[B]The autopsy photos were a cover-up.
Of what, I don't know, other than the wound was actually nothing like the one pictured.

There are two pictures: one showing JFKs head a mess from the final shot, the other showing it together again.

Because, they reconstructed his skull after the autopsy for the funeral...

Oswald was the gunman. Three shots from within 13 seconds. It's been proven it can be done in 9. And with a scope, even a mediocre
marksman can get those on target from that distance.

Almost everything regarding the Oswald-as-shooter theory has been vindicated by reenactments...

In fact, it was more plausible for him to have done it than even the Warren Commission believed...

The only grain of truth in the film is Stone's contention that the Carcano rifle/carbine was unreliable (for a bolt action rifle) and was prone to jamming. But that is all relative...

The "Magic Bullet"? Look at the trajectory, and it's very possible.

Yes, because people assume Gov. Connolly was sitting directly in front of JFK, he wasn't.

And the bullet was by no means "pristine" as it had obviously been scuffed and the lead core smashed out...


Stone also left out that Jim Garrison was prone to rambling and spouting off delusionally about tanks and troops in the streets of Dallas, which no one else saw...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
i kinda believe that it's highly possible that any coverup is the government actually covering any (honest, but perhaps negligent) mistakes made in the pre-event security and in their initial inability to get oswald.

I do agree...

[Seshmeister]

I used to watch these things and whatever and thought that there was something really fucking dodgy about it.

Now after seeing people fire the shots in the relevant time, finding out the little counter intuitive shit like how a bullet wound to the head from the front makes the head move forward etc etc I think the conspiracy shit is just shit.

Apart from the fact that every new really convincing documentary that comes out with a definative theory always gets shot down in flames the 9-11 shit has convinced me that it's all a crock. Stone's stuff for example is just nonsense.

Watching all of the 1000 ludicrous 9-11 conspiracies shows how these things develop. If you can have live footage of planes crashing into buildings and so many people come up with crap about controlled demolitions it shows how silly all the JFK stuff is.

There are all these JFK documentaries that say stuff like 'damn if only that camera had run for another few seconds' or 'imagine the resolution on a particular film was high enough to show some people on the knoll.'

Imagine on 9-11 the two planes hit within a minute of each other in say Chicago and there was no footage of the planes hitting the buildings. Can you imagine the cuntspiracy theories?

The 'magic bullet' was a bit odd but shit happens. Scientifically it's like saying 'What are the chances of the water in a pothole in the road exactly fitting the shape of the hole'. Just because an unlikely thing happened doesn't make it untrue unless you can prove that something else happened.

Noone has.

It's a million to one that anyone ever wins the national lottery but they do obviously.

The key thing to me is this crazy idea that government agencies are spectacularly brilliant and competant when it comes to conspiracy theories but shit at everything else.

Most conspiracy theories are based on crazy extrapolation of incompetance giving some hidden agenda. No they were just a bit crap.

Cheers!

[hideyoursheep]

After having studied this photo closely for decades, there is but one
obvious conclusion as to who "badgeman" is......

[Warham]

The key thing to me is this crazy idea that government agencies are spectacularly brilliant and competant when it comes to conspiracy theories but shit at everything else.

Bingo.

[LoungeMachine]

Documents relating to JFK assassination revealed for 1st time in decades




Associated Press - February 18, 2008 12:33 PM ET

DALLAS (AP) - Long-hidden items and documents relating to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy are being revealed for the first time in decades.

Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins presented the items at a news conference Monday. Watkins says they were locked in a safe for nearly two decades and that investigators had made him aware of them after he took office in 2006.

Among the items are documents relating to Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald and his killer, Jack Ruby, including a transcript of a purported conversation between them about killing the president. Curator Gary Mack of the Sixth Floor Museum near where the president was shot hasn't seen the transcript but doubts it is real.

The items also include Ruby's brown leather gun holster, two brass knuckles found on Ruby when he was arrested and a movie contract former Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade signed.

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=7887963

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[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I used to watch these things and whatever and thought that there was something really fucking dodgy about it.

Now after seeing people fire the shots in the relevant time, finding out the little counter intuitive shit like how a bullet wound to the head from the front makes the head move forward etc etc I think the conspiracy shit is just shit.

Apart from the fact that every new really convincing documentary that comes out with a definative theory always gets shot down in flames the 9-11 shit has convinced me that it's all a crock. Stone's stuff for example is just nonsense.

Watching all of the 1000 ludicrous 9-11 conspiracies shows how these things develop. If you can have live footage of planes crashing into buildings and so many people come up with crap about controlled demolitions it shows how silly all the JFK stuff is.

There are all these JFK documentaries that say stuff like 'damn if only that camera had run for another few seconds' or 'imagine the resolution on a particular film was high enough to show some people on the knoll.'

Imagine on 9-11 the two planes hit within a minute of each other in say Chicago and there was no footage of the planes hitting the buildings. Can you imagine the cuntspiracy theories?

The 'magic bullet' was a bit odd but shit happens. Scientifically it's like saying 'What are the chances of the water in a pothole in the road exactly fitting the shape of the hole'. Just because an unlikely thing happened doesn't make it untrue unless you can prove that something else happened.

Noone has.

It's a million to one that anyone ever wins the national lottery but they do obviously.

The key thing to me is this crazy idea that government agencies are spectacularly brilliant and competant when it comes to conspiracy theories but shit at everything else.

Most conspiracy theories are based on crazy extrapolation of incompetance giving some hidden agenda. No they were just a bit crap.

Cheers!

The actual assassination logistics is not what is indicative of a conspiracy.

The fact is, the Secret Service broke every rule there is in protecting the president. There's no way they would allow a convertible in a motorcade to slow down to such a low speed in a curve, and especially not have the buildings overlooking the section of the street swarming with agents.

The breach of standard protocol is the sign of a conspiracy.

[thome]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
The actual assassination logistics is not what is indicative of a conspiracy.

The fact is, the Secret Service broke every rule there is in protecting the president. There's no way they would allow a convertible in a motorcade to slow down to such a low speed in a curve, and especially not have the buildings overlooking the section of the street swarming with agents.

The breach of standard protocol is the sign of a conspiracy.

What a silly post ....qualifies an FL jumble, good job.

If you want the answer you should have read my post that was deleted it's all there for anyone with half a brain.

[Terry]

The SS breach of protocol is a sign of unprofessional conduct, but that in and of itself is not proof of a conspiracy.

The Mannlicher-Carcano was more powerful than any carbine rifle used by the US Army.

Why did Oswald shout "This is it!" in the Texas Theater, if he didn't expect to be arrested for a crime. Why did he attempt to shoot a policeman there?

Why did he lie to police during his detention?

Why did Oswald, by his own admission, return to his rented room after the assassination and leave with his pistol? Why did he conceal the weapon? Who was he running from?

One is entitled to think what they want. However, innuedo, conjecture, discrepancies, pointing out possibilites (as opposed to probabilities) and allusions aren't conclusive proof. When someone has conclusive proof as to the identity of the other supposed assassins or the nature of the conspiracy, I'll be highly interested.

Self-styled 'critics' like Groden, Lifton and the like have a vested interest in propagating conspiracy theories. That vested interest would be $.

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LEE HARVEY OSWALD DID NOT ACT ALONE, BUT HE DID FIRE THE FATAL SHOT TO KENNEDY'S HEAD THAT KILLED HIM.

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I saw a doc on HBO not long ago with Dr. Michael Baden who was asked to review the evidence for the Congressional hearings into the conspicracy surrounding JFK's death. The hearings took place in the 70's. He said there was a breakdown in nearly every procedure performed during an autopsy. The only evidence he had were the film, photos, and first hand accounts by the people who were in the room during the actual autopsy. It was rushed, they did not have a forensics photographer take the pictures which left few that were helpful. They conducted a lot of experiments with regard to which direction the headshot came from and it was conclussive that it did not matter because the head was just as likely to go backwards as it was forwards after being shot from either direction. He also said the brain couldn't be located to analyze because it had been buried in secret with the body when he was laid to rest. It was interesting. I'm on the fence on this one.
He also made me reevaluate my opinion of the OJ case when explained that Dr. Henry Lee and himself had examined blood evidence in photos that could not have been either Ron Goldman's or Nicole Simpson's because of its location and shape. To paraphrase he basically said they had conclusive evidence that would have proven without a doubt either OJ was guilty, innocent, or there was another party involved but was destroyed by the incompetence of the police in preserving it. It had to come from someone other than the two victims.
I'm not saying I believe he's innocent only that its possible he's not guilty or he didn't act alone.