The Myth of Nazareth

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
My question has always been thus:

IF Jesus died at 33, and went to heaven, and sat with his dad, and rules paradise for all eternity......

What exactly did he give up? Life expetancy back then was what? 40?

Very good point. I think it comes down as to whether or not you can trust any of the time keeping recorded in the bible at all...remember some people living 900 odd years? Plus the fact that Jesus all but disappears for 18 years and what you're left with is admittedly very sporadic.

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
When I'm told "Jesus died for your sins" WTF does this even mean?

Does this mean I get to sin now guilt free?

This is what organized Christianity, I think, is trying to imply. By the expression "He died for your sins", I think they're implying that you're human and bound to fail according to the guidelines set forth (which is true enough); but you can fall without feeling bad about it because all you have to do is get up, dust yourself off, raise your hands to the heavens and go "SORRY DUDE!" and the record is automatically clean.

Which, for people looking for something to believe it at all costs, would be a very effective argument, hmm?

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
The whole thing just sounds like such a scam, to dupe the stupid.

Well, like I said, I think the bible is more fictionalized history that the uncontested word of God, so to speak...I'm not one to speak about what's right or wrong with it or even most of it's accuracy on that level. I'm more of the opinion that the actual truth of this universe is hidden somewhere in between all religions and somewhere where nothing is visible and nothing is known...in the center of all of it lies the essence of truth and all energy, all spiritualism and all power absolute; humans over the years have personalized it into a giant figure that sits on a throne wearing robes with a flowing beard...

In reality, the ultimate power and intelligence of the universe (which is assumed as male and called "God" for simplicity) is probably something entirely different than anything anybody's so far anticipated.

I have come to the belief that the ultimate truth of religion lies in the study of self spiritualism (the soul, as it were) and metaphysics, not in any church or pastor. Or book for that matter; the unfortunate aspect is that the natural human interest in the unknown leads to all sorts of manipulation through religious channels, which is why we end up with fucktards like Pat Robertson and Benny Hinn who can so convincingly lead the sheep wherever they want them to go under the pretense of "God said it's the right thing to do."

I hate religion...but I love the unknown. The problem is that when organized religion shows up under a charismatic leader and says "HERE'S the answers to the unknown!", the easily lead will flock to wherever they point rather than attempting to ascertain any truth for themselves...

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
My question has always been thus:

IF Jesus died at 33, and went to heaven, and sat with his dad, and rules paradise for all eternity......

What exactly did he give up? Life expetancy back then was what? 40?

He gave up 6-7 years of pretty bleak existence to rule heaven for all eternity?

Where's the "sacrifice''??

When I'm told "Jesus died for your sins" WTF does this even mean?

Does this mean I get to sin now guilt free?


The whole thing just sounds like such a scam, to dupe the stupid.

This thread in no way belongs here.
But what'swrong with wanting to believe there is more to life than
just getting old and dying?
Explain this , supposedly the universe was formed by gasses that
blew up.
Where in the theory of evolution does it explain this ?
Something from nothing.
Not sure what's out there , but I'm not absolutely certain there's
nothing.

[WACF]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

Does this mean I get to sin now guilt free?

If you are Catholic...yes...have at 'er...

[binnie]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
No right sane person would ever assert that we've discovered everything and know that a Godhead does not exist,

What they may say is just because we don't know for example what black matter is does not mean that people can just make shit up and that somehow has validity.

Fantastical claims require fantastic evidence. Or even a bit.

I don't object to people believing in the spaghetti monster if it doesn't affect anyone else either but you live in a country where not believing in the equivalent means that you cannot hold high political office.

Closed mind is the opposite of an athiest position. In fact athiest is an unfortunate word it's better described as an unbeliever or not indoctrinated. The vast majority of athiests are not absolutely 100000% sure there isn't a spaghetti monster or an infallible paedophile prophet who had a flying horse or a Jesus myth guy, we just say if you are going to base anything on these myths lets see some tiny bit of evidence.

Apply scientific theory to this peer reviewed repeatable evidence.

Science allows you to post on this website.

Religion/superstition allows you to do what?

Kill people?

Cheers!

I'm sympathetic with your viewpoint Sesh, but the suggestion that religion only allows you to kill people isn't in keeping with the intelligence displayed in the rest of your post.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by cadaverdog
This thread in no way belongs here.

STFU, moron.

You, in no way should talk about what belongs in this forum

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by cadaverdog

But what'swrong with wanting to believe there is more to life than
just getting old and dying?
Explain this , supposedly the universe was formed by gasses that
blew up.
Where in the theory of evolution does it explain this ?
Something from nothing.
Not sure what's out there , but I'm not absolutely certain there's
nothing.

Once again, everything goes over your head, and you're too stupid to live....

Where in my post does it say I dont believe in a "creator" ?

Where, moron?

I dont believe everything was an accident, just as I sure as hell dont believe that stupid archaic Reader's Digest everyone puts so much stock in.

The Bible is a great piece of FICTION.

And you, are a fucking idiot. Every thread, every time.

[VanHalener]

"Jesus is just alright with me"
(Doobie Brothers)
(VanHalener)

[LoungeMachine]

Jesus Is Coming !!!



















Everybody look busy

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by bueno bob
You're supposed to edit that post!

Sorry man.


The Devil Made me do it.

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
STFU, moron.

You, in no way should talk about what belongs in this forum

Not that I'm looking to get into another pissing contest , but
this forum is usualy about war or politics.
You seem to have no tolerance for religion .
I admit some people use religion for their own purposes .
Making money , spreading hatred , even murder .
But what's wrong with the individual who choose to believe but
respects your choice not to.
Is that person harming you?

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
My question has always been thus:

IF Jesus died at 33, and went to heaven, and sat with his dad, and rules paradise for all eternity......

What exactly did he give up? Life expetancy back then was what? 40?

He gave up 6-7 years of pretty bleak existence to rule heaven for all eternity?

Where's the "sacrifice''??

When I'm told "Jesus died for your sins" WTF does this even mean?

Does this mean I get to sin now guilt free?


The whole thing just sounds like such a scam, to dupe the stupid.

Since it's a waste of time to try to be civil to you , here's my real opinion.
You are the most biased know it all son of a bitch I've ever heard
You have the balls to call Christianity a scam?
And label all Christians stupid?
You think you are the smartest person on earth .
You call anyone who disagrees with you an idiot.
Whether it's religion , politcs , whatever.
I'm not sure Christianity is the one true faith .
But who the fuck are you to judge anyones beliefs.

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Once again, everything goes over your head, and you're too stupid to live....

Where in my post does it say I dont believe in a "creator" ?

Where, moron?

I dont believe everything was an accident, just as I sure as hell dont believe that stupid archaic Reader's Digest everyone puts so much stock in.

The Bible is a great piece of FICTION.

And you, are a fucking idiot. Every thread, every time.

You're right asshole you only call Christianity and the holy bible
bullshit.
That rules out Judaism ,too
Do you ever think before you post this bullshit?
Talk about trolling .
You think you can spew this bullshit and not piss people off?
You're the idiot .

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by binnie
I'm sympathetic with your viewpoint Sesh, but the suggestion that religion only allows you to kill people isn't in keeping with the intelligence displayed in the rest of your post.

[cadaverdog]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
No right sane person would ever assert that we've discovered everything and know that a Godhead does not exist,

What they may say is just because we don't know for example what black matter is does not mean that people can just make shit up and that somehow has validity.

Fantastical claims require fantastic evidence. Or even a bit.

I don't object to people believing in the spaghetti monster if it doesn't affect anyone else either but you live in a country where not believing in the equivalent means that you cannot hold high political office.

Closed mind is the opposite of an athiest position. In fact athiest is an unfortunate word it's better described as an unbeliever or not indoctrinated. The vast majority of athiests are not absolutely 100000% sure there isn't a spaghetti monster or an infallible paedophile prophet who had a flying horse or a Jesus myth guy, we just say if you are going to base anything on these myths lets see some tiny bit of evidence.

Apply scientific theory to this peer reviewed repeatable evidence.

Science allows you to post on this website.

Religion/superstition allows you to do what?

Kill people?

Cheers!

I think the term for someone who is not absolutly sure there is or is not a supreme being is an agnostic.
An atheist is absolutly sure there is no supreme being.
I don't believe Christianity advocates killing.
It is based on forgiveness .
Remember the Lords prayer?
And about the inaccuracies and such in the Bible.
The Bibles we have are someones interpretations of the Bible.
King James version , etc.
Some things could have been misinterpreted in translation.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by cadaverdog



You have the balls to call Christianity a scam?

No, I have the RIGHT, as an American.

Originally posted by cadaverdog


But who the fuck are you to judge anyones beliefs.

Look at YOU, judging MY beliefs.

Quite the hypocrite, are you.


And for the record, cumstain, this forum HAS ALWAYS had plenty of Religious Threads.

You'd know this if you ever bothered to research, before spouting off about that which you know nothing of.


But thanks for proving my point that you're an ignorant, inbred troll.



Still sucking down the pain meds while your brain damaged girlfriend carries your ass?