Since no one else has the balls to!

[MUSICMANN]

It's easier to think of 100 things Bush did wrong than 10 things he did right.

I consider myself a patriot and I used to consider myself a republican. I even voted for Bush the 1st Election.
I honestly think he was the worst President in the history of the United States and what he did to this country will take years to recover, if we ever do.

I'm 40 yrs. old and i can't even commit to a statement like this. I don't know your age, but there have been plenty of president's that suck. Depends on you're point if view.

Nixon, Carter, come to my mind right away. i would have to say that both Bush's would fall right in place. they weren't Reagan by a long shot.

[MUSICMANN]

How so?

How is a biological attack on US Congressman NOT "terrorism"???

Is it because the perps are white?

To you, only those dark people are terrorists?

You really can consider every crime that happens to be a terroist attack. It doesn't have to be on the lvl of 911. So i will give you the anthrax thing.

With that said, i wasn't talking about homegrown, i was talking about foreign attacks.

[Sarge]

I'm 40 yrs. old and i can't even commit to a statement like this. I don't know your age, but there have been plenty of president's that suck. Depends on you're point if view.

Nixon, Carter, come to my mind right away. i would have to say that both Bush's would fall right in place. they weren't Reagan by a long shot.

Please explain to me how Nixon and Carter were worse than Bush for our country.
I am not going to make a case for those guys being the best, I am asking you to name someone who has been more destructive to the US than "W"?

[kwame k]

You are telling me to back up my post with the fact that this country hasn't been attacked since 911. Gee, were do i find the facts on that.

Simply because this country has been attacked, since. As Lounge has stated.....there's more....here's a riddle.........How can the United States of America, outside of the United States of America, own land that is still considered American soil?

Yemen - US Embassy Terror Attack Leaves Several Dead, Injured

Link

[Sarge]

I usually don't comment at all on political items, mainly because I am a commissioned officer in the military and this is a public forum.
I find it rather hard to defend Bush.

There is a reason why we are in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and it's because the nation has been on Auto-Pilot for the last 8 years.
3 Trillion Dollars Spent in Iraq, The Whole Hurricane Katrina Debacle, Mismanaging the war, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair, Guantanamo bay .. it goes on an on!

It's really a shame the mess we are in! The majority of this could have been avoided with some intelligent leadership.
Not everything was Bush's fault, but he shares the brunt of this.

[kwame k]

I usually don't comment at all on political items, mainly because I am a commissioned officer in the military and this is a public forum.
I find it rather hard to defend Bush.

There is a reason why we are in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and it's because the nation has been on Auto-Pilot for the last 8 years.
3 Trillion Dollars Spent in Iraq, The Whole Hurricane Katrina Debacle, Mismanaging the war, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair, Guantanamo bay .. it goes on an on!

It's really a shame the mess we are in! The majority of this could have been avoided with some intelligent leadership.
Not everything was Bush's fault, but he shares the brunt of this.

Agreed.......nothing is as simple or black and white as.... it's all his fault. Many factors come into play.......Valid point.

[LoungeMachine]

When I, and many of us say "Bush's Fault", we're naturally looking and pointing fingers at those he appointed, and surrounded himself with.

Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, but he FIRES Gen Eric Shinsecki, as an example...

[kwame k]

When I, and many of us say "Bush's Fault", we're naturally looking and pointing fingers at those he appointed, and surrounded himself with.

Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, but he FIRES Gen Eric Shinsecki, as an example...

Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and forces Colin Powell out.

[Sarge]

When I, and many of us say "Bush's Fault", we're naturally looking and pointing fingers at those he appointed, and surrounded himself with.

Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, but he FIRES Gen Eric Shinsecki, as an example...

I met Gen Shinsecki last year when he came to our post for Asian American Heritage. He is a cool guy. I used to harbor ill will against him for making us change from softcaps to beret's..

I also attended a Townhall meeting today with LTG Jack C. Stultz (Chief of Army Reserves) and LTG Clyde Vaughn (Director of the Army National Guard)
That is a total of 6 stars
Anyways.. they said they were told not to expect a significant drawdown in troops for another 24 months.

Not trying to sound important. Anyone could attend the townhall meeting.
Breasts,

[MUSICMANN]

Please explain to me how Nixon and Carter were worse than Bush for our country.
I am not going to make a case for those guys being the best, I am asking you to name someone who has been more destructive to the US than "W"?

I'm trying to see you're point of view. If you are basing you're opinion on the Iraq war, didn't Kennedy get us into Vietnam, which was way worse than what's happening now.

Carter, had the economic, energy and his foriegn policies that had his rating's below Nixon.

Nixon had the still lingering of the Vietnam war and being the only prseident to resign from office.

Every president had their good and bad momnets in history. Bush definitly won't be recieving any awards for being the most liked president at home or abroad, that's for sure.

But the worst in history, i guess only time will tell.

[thome]

I did this same thread 4 years ago.......


:crickets:




Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.





They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.

Why is this - TROLL - still allowed to post here .

Get back to your trailor ...I heard Mill Best is on sale..hmm what else ..

??/
let's see..
TROLL!! Beer, Trailor,..... lil help......?// LOL:tongue0011:

[kwame k]

I'm trying to see you're point of view. If you are basing you're opinion on the Iraq war, didn't Kennedy get us into Vietnam, which was way worse than what's happening now.

Carter, had the economic, energy and his foriegn policies that had his rating's below Nixon.

Nixon had the still lingering of the Vietnam war and being the only prseident to resign from office.

Every president had their good and bad momnets in history. Bush definitly won't be recieving any awards for being the most liked president at home or abroad, that's for sure.

But the worst in history, i guess only time will tell.

Nope.....Truman started the ball rolling in Vietnam....Link

[MUSICMANN]

I did this same thread 4 years ago.......


:crickets:




Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.





They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.

And all this combined was nothing more than a pimple on a nats ass when compared to just one week during WWII.

Get over yourself, you're not part of some great liberal generation movement.
Shit like this has been happening for a long time.

I guess you are one of those people that raise's a flag in one hand and then want's to sign a bill reducing the amount of funding the miltitary gets.

Talk about being a hyprocrit.

[LoungeMachine]

There you go again with your links and facts.......

[MUSICMANN]

Nope.....Truman started the ball rolling in Vietnam....Link

That may be true, but Kennedy didn't listen to all the people saying that America would get stuck in Vietnam and kept pouring in money and troops. Kinda like how Bush didn't back down from his stance on Iraq.

As bad as this may sound, Kennedy got lucky. If he had not been assassinated, he would have been sharing the spot with bush as the worst president in history.