So Obama is suddenly proud of his middle name ??

[Nickdfresh]

No. Now I am.

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I saw that pandering, opportunist douche on some shit show pushing his shit book and blaming everyone but Republicans like himself for the defeat of McCain-Palin...

He even made the laughable assertion that Palin is somehow going to be a viable candidate for national office someday. She's terrible and a complete retard, and if you blame the "media" for that, then get ready for the GOP to be marginalized, perpetual losers pandering to an ever dwindling base...

[LoungeMachine]

My middle name is John. I guess ELVIS will assume I pick up prostitutes!

Ironically, ELVIS's middle name is Butch.

Thanks for that.

I've been wanting a new nickname for Elvira.....

[ELVIS]

My middle name is John. I guess ELVIS will assume I pick up prostitutes!

Ironically, ELVIS's middle name is Butch.

No, it's Michael...

Now, get back to your prostitutes...

[LoungeMachine]

whatever, Butch.

[sadaist]

I saw that pandering, opportunist douche on some shit show pushing his shit book and blaming everyone but Republicans like himself for the defeat of McCain-Palin...

He even made the laughable assertion that Palin is somehow going to be a viable candidate for national office someday. She's terrible and a complete retard, and if you blame the "media" for that, then get ready for the GOP to be marginalized, perpetual losers pandering to an ever dwindling base...

Well, I agree mostly with the parts on the medias (mis)representation of Obama rather than the Palin portions. And since this is an Obama thread, I figured you would take that from it rather than skipping any criticism against him & going straight for Palin.

But since you mentioned it, I'll clarify my position of who I would place blame on.

1) McCain was the wrong guy to be the Republican nominee. From the limited choices that were offered, I would have picked Romney, who I believe would have done exceptionally well towards the closing of the campaign when the financial crisis became issue #1.

2) Palin was the wrong person to be selected for VP. The second she was announced I clearly remember telling my parents "well, Obama just won". I don't like Palin, but I will defend false or hypocritical accusations. I would even defend a lib. Doesn't matter to me. She should have failed based solely on her positions and record, and not her children or clothing.

3) G.W.Bush severely tarnished the Republican reputation. Whether you agree with every decision he made, or hate him with a passion...the manner in which he handled himself, his public relations, and his overall approach was piss poor.

4) The Media had a hard-on for Obama as he could do no wrong and they did not report worthwhile information to assist voters in making their decision. Instead of watching objective news, the media acted like they were interviewing Brad Pitt on the red carpet. I call it the "Erection 'till Election".

5) Uneducated Americans in poverty blindly voting for him by believing that Obama is going to take care of them and fix all of their problems. Voting without knowing is akin to a Senator voting on a multi-billion dollar bill without reading it, or judging a book by it's cover.

So far Obama as a book is all glossy, pretty, and a real eye catcher...but the text inside sucks so far.

[Nickdfresh]

Well, I agree mostly with the parts on the medias (mis)representation of Obama rather than the Palin portions. And since this is an Obama thread, I figured you would take that from it rather than skipping any criticism against him & going straight for Palin.

What have they "misrepresented" again?

And I am not bound nor constrained by thread titles as far as whom I offer criticism...

The source of the criticism is a huge Palin apologist though...

But since you mentioned it, I'll clarify my position of who I would place blame on.

1) McCain was the wrong guy to be the Republican nominee.

He was the right guy actually, just in the wrong year...

From the limited choices that were offered, I would have picked Romney, who I believe would have done exceptionally well towards the closing of the campaign when the financial crisis became issue #1.

Romney was your Dark Horse? Really? What special skills did he offer, again? Having a father that made his fortune presiding over a failed, now-defunct US automaker?

2) Palin was the wrong person to be selected for VP. The second she was announced I clearly remember telling my parents "well, Obama just won". I don't like Palin, but I will defend false or hypocritical accusations. I would even defend a lib. Doesn't matter to me. She should have failed based solely on her positions and record, and not her children or clothing.

She failed because she was stupid and had no real positions. And she was a hypocrite as Ms. Family values social conservative because of her record and as leader of a huge welfare state...

She has no credibility on anything...

3) G.W.Bush severely tarnished the Republican reputation. Whether you agree with every decision he made, or hate him with a passion...the manner in which he handled himself, his public relations, and his overall approach was piss poor.

His smug policies were piss poor. He would be forgivable and even endearing if he weren't a silver-spooned, insecure little shit that actually bothered to do his homework...

4) The Media had a hard-on for Obama as he could do no wrong and they did not report worthwhile information to assist voters in making their decision. Instead of watching objective news, the media acted like they were interviewing Brad Pitt on the red carpet. I call it the "Erection 'till Election".

Oh spare me! If Hillary had won, you'd be saying the exact same thing about her! The truth is that Obama ran a "flawless campaign" and was the underdog that overcame the Clinton Goliath, and he did it with little media exposure initially...

And there was a time when MCCAIN WAS THE MEDIA DARLING!!! When he had reporters flying on his "express" with him and nudged and winked at them on how he was duping the idiot, religious and ideological GOP establishment...

He lost it when he sold out and became the GOP establishment and started kicking reporters off his planes for actually publishing negative stories about him - like the fact he might have been fucking a lobbyist/female companion...

5) Uneducated Americans in poverty blindly voting for him by believing that Obama is going to take care of them and fix all of their problems. Voting without knowing is akin to a Senator voting on a multi-billion dollar bill without reading it, or judging a book by it's cover.

LMFAO!! Like you voted for Bush?

So far Obama as a book is all glossy, pretty, and a real eye catcher...but the text inside sucks so far.

Oh fucking Christ? Based on what? What president has had such a catastrophic situation to deal with their first 100 days? Maybe FDR...

[ELVIS]

The truth is that Obama ran a "flawless campaign" and was the underdog that overcame the Clinton Goliath, and he did it with little media exposure initially...

[bueno bob]

My middle name is John. I guess ELVIS will assume I pick up prostitutes!

Ironically, ELVIS's middle name is Butch.

My middle name is latin. Obviously, I'm conspiring to make America more like ancient Italy.

[bueno bob]

There really isn't anything funny about it if you were actually paying attention back in early 2007. Hillary Clinton was pretty much the go-to choice for Democrats back then (like it or not), and Barack Obama had very little media exposure initially.

I only heard of him back then because I knew where to look for all prospective candidates. It certainly wasn't because I was directed there. Had I only a remote passing interest on what was happening within the democratic party, as I assume you did at the time, I might have found that notion as funny as you currently do.

Those who know, though...

[bueno bob]

McCain was the wrong guy to be the Republican nominee.

In 2000, I would have actually been far more satisfied with McCain than Bush. Problem with McCain was that, after 2004 specifically, he became very much a Republican yes-man and lap dog in the eventuality that the nomination would swing his way...which it wasn't going to unless he started following the party line a lot closer than the mavericky way he'd been prior.

In 2008? Fuck yes he was the wrong candidate. "We realize things are fucked up right now, sure - trust me, my friends, what's going to fix it for you is more of the same! Now vote for me and let's keep going in circles! There's gotta be an off ramp somewhere..."

Nah.

2) Palin was the wrong person to be selected for VP. She should have failed based solely on her positions and record, and not her children or clothing.

On the contrary. She was the IDEAL candidate for VP. Hillary's supporters were left feeling out in the cold once Biden was announced over her, and when McCain swooped in with a female candidate, it looked like a very well placed move. Well, for the first two weeks or so. Unfortunately, Palin eventually had to open her mouth and the rest of it was just kinda obvious. People can bitch about character assassination all they like, but Palin's own words on the subject are pretty self evident: "Any publicity, positive or negative, is good publicity as long as your name's out there". I still laugh at her. She's obviously priming herself for a 2012 run and her whole family drama bullshit is literally one step ahead of appearing on Jerry Springer "to settle it once or for all!".

3) G.W.Bush severely tarnished the Republican reputation. Whether you agree with every decision he made, or hate him with a passion...the manner in which he handled himself, his public relations, and his overall approach was piss poor.

No kidding.

4) The Media had a hard-on for Obama as he could do no wrong and they did not report worthwhile information to assist voters in making their decision. Instead of watching objective news, the media acted like they were interviewing Brad Pitt on the red carpet. I call it the "Erection 'till Election".

Maybe he could "do no wrong" because he did nothing wrong? To my mind, he ran an almost perfect campaign and was blessed by great luck near and far. McCain and Palin, meanwhile, shot themselves in the foot with every other floundering step they took. The media loved him because McCain and Palin looked like fucking fools by comparison. That's campaigning at it's finest, kid.

5) Uneducated Americans in poverty blindly voting for him by believing that Obama is going to take care of them and fix all of their problems.

Poverty levels? Sure, there's lot of that to be found in the inner city sections of larger levels, and I assume you're attributing that to the overwhelming black/hispanic/other population that lives there. You can't forget, of course, that a whole shitload of the bible belt/red states that voted McCain live in similar squalor, just not in the big city as often. Of course, bigger cities usually offer the better schools. I know of schools in the bible belt (traditionally red states without flaw) that are still teaching that the planet is only 6000 years old and science that proves otherwise is a tool of the devil to make people turn away from the one God.

That shoe fits on both feet, so you have no argument there. No more than I do, anyway. On top of that, I don't think you've actually studied the voting records individually person to person, vote to vote. Not to the degree required to come to any concrete decisions about who's "educated" enough to vote and who's "judging a book by it's cover".

I can make paintbrush statements as well as you can, though.

So far Obama as a book is all glossy, pretty, and a real eye catcher...but the text inside sucks so far.

And this is where it breaks down.

"WAAAAH! Obama's been in office for a few months and the economy's not fixed and America's not totally recovered from the fucking disaster we're in! OBAMA LIED!!!"

Sounds like Rush-think to me.

[sadaist]

Sounds like Rush-think to me.

For clarification, do you mean my thinking is being rushed into a judgment? Or my thinking is in line with Rush Limbaugh? I suppose an argument could be made for both. But only time will tell if Obamas decisions now are going to do what the left predicts or the what the right predicts. (fuck, you got me sounding like a Spammy song)

[sadaist]

I threw a thanks your way for that post because I enjoy the well thought out point-by-point argument of my original post. Rather than just a lump paragraph that I'm wrong, it makes one think when it's broken down by each argument...even if I don't agree with all of it. You even saved the calling me a whiner until the very last part... ass.:tongue0011:

[Andy Taylor]

I couldn't help but laugh. Welcome back, Bush.

Obama to seek $83.4 billion for Iraq, Afghan wars

[Guitar Shark]

I couldn't help but laugh. Welcome back, Bush.

Obama to seek $83.4 billion for Iraq, Afghan wars

I'm not sure that I understand your criticism. What would you have him do?

[Andy Taylor]

Declare them as pointless wars and get out of there. The chaos there is in major part from them being there.


What did you ask of Bush back then, being honest?