Bush + law degree = Obama

[Nickdfresh]

a) The president can't move 300 people with the swipe of a pen?

No. Not realistically. There are protocols and at least a few of the guys could be actual terrorists. Where do you want him to put them?

b) Did you read the article at the top?

Yes I did, which enabled me to glean the fact that you took part of the article out of context. Because it is Congress that is the pain in the ass and trying to slow down or prevent the closure of GITMO. Obama wants it closed ASAP...

They're not supposed to be. He wants to send 100 to Saudi Arabia and hold 100 indefinitely. That's the topic of this thread.

We don't know what "he wants" since they're supposedly "drafting" an Executive Order, and nothing definitive has been stated nor issued.

What exactly is your concern in regards to sending 100 of them to Saudi Arabia?

[hideyoursheep]

This always happens with new Presidents. They make every promise imaginable while they campaign, but once they get the job they also get the real story....privy to information none of us will ever get close to. Then they gotta think to themselves "aw fuck, previous dude was right...dammit". Now to just spin the story without acknowledging your predecessor was correct on the subject.

If previous dude was 100% right, there wouldn't be a discussion on what to do with the 100 or so that don't need to be there.

Then there's that whole waterboarding thing.

I doubt that holding alleged terrorists at Gitmo was all Bush's idea to begin with.....I'm sure he received some input as to where they should be held.

Where else can you put them really? You can't send them to some County Jail somewhere, cause they'll get fucked up. You definitely can't put them in state or federal Pens....those are for convicted criminals.....and they'll get fucked up.

[Blackflag]

No. Not realistically. There are protocols and at least a few of the guys could be actual terrorists. Where do you want him to put them?

Be serious, please. The president could move 300,000 people with the swipe of a pen. He wouldn't even need to use a pen at all to move these people - he didn't to get rid of the Uighurs.

Where to put them? You really need me to list options for you? He could put them at a military base, a military prison, a federal prison, or one of the multiple state prisons that said they'd take them.

Better yet...how about just charge them immediately or send them home. It would take an additional year to do that? Sure, why not...what's a year when you're not the one in prison?

Yes I did, which enabled me to glean the fact that you took part of the article out of context. Because it is Congress that is the pain in the ass and trying to slow down or prevent the closure of GITMO. Obama wants it closed ASAP...

Congress doesn't have any say about where the military holds its prisoners. Which part is out of context? The title of the article? Or that Obama has adopted Bush's position?

What exactly is your concern in regards to sending 100 of them to Saudi Arabia?

Because everybody knows what happens when you call somebody a "terrorist," then send them to Saudi Arabia. Why else would he send them there, rather than home to Yemen? Do you need me to explain it to you? "The U.S. doesn't torture," Obama says authoritatively...(but we'll send you to somebody who does...*wink*). At least Bush was honest about what an unlawful cock he was.

I'm pretty sure this whole article went over your head. But that's ok.

[Dolemite!]

I remember having a good laugh at some Canadian tv coverage where they spoke of being asked to take in gitmo detainees. So we can't have them, but others should. Canada that too.

[hideyoursheep]

Where to put them? You really need me to list options for you?

You obviously don't know, or your post would have contained solutions rather than question marks.

He could put them at a military base, a military prison, a federal prison, or one of the multiple state prisons that said they'd take them.

How about Gitmo?

Dumbass.

[letsrock]

The problem is that there is a politician majority in Congress.

Actually Washington DC is filled with failed attorneys.
Why would a good successfull attorney want to be in public office?
Easy math.

[ZahZoo]

Maybe it's an overly simplistic idea... but how about we turn these terrorists/enemy combatants over to the country in which we captured them..?

Iraq or Afganistan... let them sort it out and do what they want with em.

[ELVIS]

Fine. But what do we do with the detainees?

Keep them detained until the wars are over and then turn them over to their respective governments...

[sadaist]

Keep them detained until the wars are over and then turn them over to their respective governments...

The thing is we are not at war with any country or government. So this war could go on forever.

If we close Gitmo, I have no clue where to put them. Seems Gitmo is the best place. It just doesn't sit right with me that these guys are there indefinitely with no lawyers, no charges, no chance to prove innocence. I understand that on a battlefield you can't really have the military gathering evidence to present the prosecution in legal cases. I don't know what the best solution is, but so far it seems the solutions offered are worse than the current situation.

Obama's mistake was putting the cart before the horse on this and announcing his plans to close it before fully investigating the situation. Now that he has had some time it's backfiring.

This whole thing is just more motivation for our military to just give anyone fighting them a hot piece of lead to avoid all this bullshit.

[ELVIS]

I dunno either...

It's all bullshit! But I doubt the detainees wound up in Gitmo for selling ice cream...

[Nickdfresh]

Be serious, please. The president could move 300,000 people with the swipe of a pen. He wouldn't even need to use a pen at all to move these people - he didn't to get rid of the Uighurs.

Then you shouldn't find it so hard to provide an example of a president doing just that? Should you?

Where to put them? You really need me to list options for you? He could put them at a military base, a military prison, a federal prison, or one of the multiple state prisons that said they'd take them.

Which is exactly what he wants to do actually...

Better yet...how about just charge them immediately or send them home. It would take an additional year to do that? Sure, why not...what's a year when you're not the one in prison?

Because many of their homelands won't take them. And some would just torture them to death which pretty much defeats the purpose of your humanitarian clemency. doesn't it?

Congress doesn't have any say about where the military holds its prisoners. Which part is out of context? The title of the article? Or that Obama has adopted Bush's position?

That's funny, because I thought they were cutting off the funding that would enable the President to transfer the prisoners with the justification being tantamount to "not in my backyard!"

The "out of context" part is one I pointed out. That Obama wants to close GITMO as fucking stated in the article supergenius. But feel free to pretend that the sentence isn't there and typically ignore whatever you find inconvenient to your hyperbole arguments.

That fact alone would pretty much put him at odds with Bush's position. Wouldn't it?

Because everybody knows what happens when you call somebody a "terrorist," then send them to Saudi Arabia. Why else would he send them there, rather than home to Yemen? Do you need me to explain it to you? "The U.S. doesn't torture," Obama says authoritatively...(but we'll send you to somebody who does...*wink*). At least Bush was honest about what an unlawful cock he was.

I'm pretty sure this whole article went over your head. But that's ok.

Um. Apparently, you missed the "60 Minutes" story from a week ago yesterday in which it was basically said that Saudi policy to "reform" potential terrorists was to give them easy jobs, a house, a wife, and an apartment in order to placate them from their radicalism. I'm not claiming they do this in every case, but there are several former terrorists that are living pretty well for simply renouncing violence...

[Nickdfresh]

I dunno either...

It's all bullshit! But I doubt the detainees wound up in Gitmo for selling ice cream...

There's also little doubt that many of them were set up and sold to the US for bounties for a variety of reasons including revenge or just greed. In any case, I'm not sure I think of "foot soldiers" who might even have attacked US troops in Afghanistan as "terrorists" since US soldiers are a legitimate military target...

[Nitro Express]

Bush + sufficient intelligence to be aware of the evil he's causing = Obama

Pretty much. What has Obama told the truth on? He's the biggest lying sack of shit president I've ever seen and that's saying something.

[Nitro Express]

There's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats. They both have sold out.

[Nitro Express]

Actually Washington DC is filled with failed attorneys.
Why would a good successfull attorney want to be in public office?
Easy math.

Probably true. The people with the real power don't serve in public office, they find a failed attorney to be in the trenches doing their bidding.