Bush + law degree = Obama

[Nickdfresh]

Pretty much. What has Obama told the truth on? He's the biggest lying sack of shit president I've ever seen and that's saying something.

Aren't you overdoing it a bit?

What lies had he told? He's far from perfect and I actually think he's too much of a pussy at times and needs to get a little tougher in domestic politics...

But WTF are you talking about? Seriously? Bush and the Iraqi "WMDs" anyone?

[Nitro Express]

Name one campaign promise Obama has kept. You are getting more war. Gitmo won't be closed. How come he hasn't prosecuted the Bush Administration for war crimes? Plus, this fool is going to implode our economy hard if he keeps at it. Then you will have a country full of very, very angry people and where is that going to lead?

[Nickdfresh]

Name one campaign promise Obama has kept.

He "changed" the regime.

But, how would Obama not keeping his campaign promises make him anymore of a liar than any other fucking politician in history? How is he any worse?

You are getting more war.

US soldiers left Iraqi cities today, and will be mostly withdrawn in a year.

And what is your alternative to Afghanistan?

Gitmo won't be closed.

Eventually, it will be. But that isn't all up to him apparently...

How come he hasn't prosecuted the Bush Administration for war crimes?

I don't recall that campaign promise...

Plus, this fool is going to implode our economy hard if he keeps at it. Then you will have a country full of very, very angry people and where is that going to lead?

Um, implode our shitty economy? How?

I don't know where it will lead....

[LoungeMachine]

Keep them detained until the wars are over ...

They'll never be "over"

How does one declare victory in a "global war on terrorism", exactly?

[ELVIS]

There's also little doubt that many of them were set up and sold to the US for bounties for a variety of reasons including revenge or just greed. In any case, I'm not sure I think of "foot soldiers" who might even have attacked US troops in Afghanistan as "terrorists" since US soldiers are a legitimate military target...

And they are prisoners of war...

[Blackflag]

Then you shouldn't find it so hard to provide an example of a president doing just that? Should you?

Moving troops into Iraq...moving troops out of Iraq...don't argue over something so pointless.

Because many of their homelands won't take them. And some would just torture them to death which pretty much defeats the purpose of your humanitarian clemency. doesn't it?

1. Show me anything that says that Yemen doesn't want to take back the 100 he wants to send to Saudi Arabia.

2. Show me anything that says that 100 that he wants to imprison indefinitely have been rejected by their home countries.

3. Even if your bullshit assertion were true, not being allowed back in your country doesn't = life imprisonment.

That's funny, because I thought they were cutting off the funding that would enable the President to transfer the prisoners with the justification being tantamount to "not in my backyard!"

Do you know what the discretionary budget of the DoD is? Congress has little say over how the military spends the bulk of it's cash. You really think the president needs a Congressional spending measure to move 300 prisoners? Don't fall for the smoke screen.

The "out of context" part is one I pointed out. That Obama wants to close GITMO as fucking stated in the article supergenius. But feel free to pretend that the sentence isn't there and typically ignore whatever you find inconvenient to your hyperbole arguments.

You're missing the whole issue. At this point, it doesn't even matter if he closes Guantanamo or not. He wants to hold them indefinitely without trial. After you swallow that part, does it matter where he holds them? Go back and re-read the article. Who the fuck cares about Gitmo if he's writing executive orders to hold people indefinitely? Try a little reading comprehension.

Um. Apparently, you missed the "60 Minutes" story from a week ago yesterday in which it was basically said that Saudi policy to "reform" potential terrorists was to give them easy jobs, a house, a wife, and an apartment in order to placate them from their radicalism. I'm not claiming they do this in every case, but there are several former terrorists that are living pretty well for simply renouncing violence...

Come on, stop joking around already. Be serious.

Saudi Arabia: New Evidence Of Torture | Human Rights Watch

[Nickdfresh]

And they are prisoners of war...

Then we're violating the Geneva convention.

And idiot, aren't you the one propagating the "Inside Job" theory crap here lately? How can we be at war with them if the Twin Towers were supposedly destroyed by the United States gov't (or da' JEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWASSSS!!!!) in your view?

[Nickdfresh]

Moving troops into Iraq...moving troops out of Iraq...don't argue over something so pointless.

Okay. Then don't bring it up then if its pointless...

1. Show me anything that says that Yemen doesn't want to take back the 100 he wants to send to Saudi Arabia.

I never said they don't, so why would I have to prove your strawman argument for you?

2. Show me anything that says that 100 that he wants to imprison indefinitely have been rejected by their home countries.

Again, I don't recall arguing anything of the sort...but yes, many have been rejected on grounds of security or have given no gurantees with what vetting processes they would use.

Incidently, aren't you contradicting yourself? You implied that we shouldn't send prisoners back to the House of Saud because they would be tortured and executed or something. But we should send them to Yemen?

3. Even if your bullshit assertion were true, not being allowed back in your country doesn't = life imprisonment.

And if they've been tried as murders, then that's what they should get.

Do you know what the discretionary budget of the DoD is? Congress has little say over how the military spends the bulk of it's cash. You really think the president needs a Congressional spending measure to move 300 prisoners? Don't fall for the smoke screen.

Oh Christ, if your not going to keep up with this stuff, than you might not want to create threads about it:

Obama Remains Steadfast in Plan to Close Gitmo, Blisters Bush Administration - Political News - FOXNews.com

On Wednesday, the Senate rebuked Obama's request for funding to close the Guantanamo prison, withholding on a 90-6 vote $80 million that would go to shutting down the facility until the president presents a plan for what to do with the remaining detainees. That followed a similar move last week in the House, underscoring widespread apprehension among Obama's Democratic allies in Congress over the issue.

You're missing the whole issue. At this point, it doesn't even matter if he closes Guantanamo or not. He wants to hold them indefinitely without trial. After you swallow that part, does it matter where he holds them? Go back and re-read the article. Who the fuck cares about Gitmo if he's writing executive orders to hold people indefinitely? Try a little reading comprehension.

And your missing the whole point that Obama can't just do whatever he wants. There is something called "checks and balances." I'm sure he'd like to close GITMO, but there are only so many short term alternatives...

And BTW, the "Executive Order" has not been written yet, so this is all speculative until it is...

Come on, stop joking around already. Be serious.

Saudi Arabia: New Evidence Of Torture | Human Rights Watch

Right, from 2002...

Here's something a little more current:

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[davehagarfan]

Pretty much. What has Obama told the truth on? He's the biggest lying sack of shit president I've ever seen and that's saying something.

You're an idiot...I bet you voted for that old fruitcake Ron Paul

[davehagarfan]

There's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats. They both have sold out.

Oh....you're from Jackson Hole....now everything makes sense.

[Blackflag]

Oh Christ, if your not going to keep up with this stuff, than you might not want to create threads about it:

Obama Remains Steadfast in Plan to Close Gitmo, Blisters Bush Administration - Political News - FOXNews.com

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

Holy shit, it's like talking to a wall.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.






Did you happen the see the part that said, "White House drafts order to hold detainees indefinitely?" Click on the link, maybe?

Do you have a comment on that topic?

Anything?

Bueller?

Bueller?

[Nickdfresh]

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

Holy shit, it's like talking to a wall.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

What's it about?

Did you happen the see the part that said, "White House drafts order to hold detainees indefinitely?" Click on the link, maybe?

Do you have a comment on that topic?

Anything?

Bueller?

Bueller?

I did click on the link. Let me know when that Executive Order is beyond being "drafted."

Because I try to deal with facts as much as I can, not speculations...

[hideyoursheep]

Maybe it's an overly simplistic idea... but how about we turn these terrorists/enemy combatants over to the country in which we captured them..?

Iraq or Afganistan... let them sort it out and do what they want with em.

Don't know about Afghanistan, but those returned to Iraq as terrorists, if given a choice, would probably prefer hanging 10 on the ol' Gitmo Boogie Board. The Iraqis would kill them. Slowly.

Maybe not such a bad idea after all...sending them back.

[Nickdfresh]

Don't know about Afghanistan, but those returned to Iraq as terrorists, if given a choice, would probably prefer hanging 10 on the ol' Gitmo Boogie Board. The Iraqis would kill them. Slowly.

Maybe not such a bad idea after all...sending them back.

How many people were actually transferred to GITMO from Iraq?

[davehagarfan]

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

Holy shit, it's like talking to a wall.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.

One more time: This thread is not about whether Gitmo is being closed or not.






Did you happen the see the part that said, "White House drafts order to hold detainees indefinitely?" Click on the link, maybe?

Do you have a comment on that topic?

Anything?

Bueller?

Bueller?

It's about what to do with the detainees that were at Gitmo. Many of whom were part of the Taliban and Al Qaida or at the very least were sympathizers and aiding them. Most however, from my understanding is they were fighting along side and were members of those two organizations in the weeks and months following September 11th.