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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49567

    Originally posted by Blackflag
    But a dollar of government research does not equal a dollar of private sector research.

    The whole problem here is the something-for-nothing mentality. People want drugs without having to pay for the development costs. People want medical care without paying for insurance. It's all bullshit.
    Oh lawds! Saves us in the pharmaceutical industries!!!

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    • Blackflag
      Banned
      • Apr 2006
      • 3406

      You've been waiting a really long time to use that picture, haven't you?

      Do you think your hard on for me will ever subside? Ever?

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        Originally posted by FORD
        I don't things like boob jobs and face lifts should be eligible for a public system.
        How 'bout abortion ??

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49567

          Originally posted by Blackflag
          You've been waiting a really long time to use that picture, haven't you?

          Do you think your hard on for me will ever subside? Ever?
          You love that picture, and no, I Googled it last night after drinking heavily...

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          • WACF
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Jan 2004
            • 2920

            Originally posted by ELVIS
            How 'bout abortion ??
            We have that moral issue as well.

            While I believe abortion is wrong...it is also wrong to impose my beliefs on someone else...

            When medically required there should be no issues...as birth control...I really do not like it and think it should be paid out of pocket...but there is so much more good than bad with our health care.

            You should look at health care as something that will be coming...and do your best to help shape instead of sink it.

            You might get something close to what you want...

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            • jhale667
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 20929

              Originally posted by ELVIS
              How 'bout abortion ??


              And about that.... why are you delusional enough to think Healthcare reform will increase them somehow?
              Originally posted by conmee
              If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

              That is all.

              Icon.
              Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
              I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


              Originally posted by Isaac R.
              Then it's really true??

              The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

              OMFG...who in their right mind...???
              Originally posted by eddie78
              I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59619

                Originally posted by jhale667
                And about that.... why are you delusional enough to think Healthcare reform will increase them somehow?
                Because that's the current right wing spin to get their base pissed off about health care... "Obama wants you to pay for killin' babies and old people". They'll find a way to bring the gays into it eventually. Same old right wing propaganda, slightly modified for the new subject matter....
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Big Train
                  Full Member Status

                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4013

                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Why would you be more UK centric for an Irish band?

                  I need to take my time to be pithy, not in a rush. How about European centric?

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                  • WACF
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2920

                    Originally posted by FORD
                    Because that's the current right wing spin to get their base pissed off about health care... "Obama wants you to pay for killin' babies and old people". They'll find a way to bring the gays into it eventually. Same old right wing propaganda, slightly modified for the new subject matter....
                    Not only right wing.

                    I know lefties here that do not agree with abortion being funded publicly.

                    It is a moral isssue.

                    The difference is...rights are rights...and you can not make someone do something because of your beliefs.

                    Should it be used as birth control and funded....no.

                    Should a woman have access to abortion...yes.

                    But...here it is publicly funded....it is what it is...and anytime it gets brought up...the left wingers here raise hell and cry about human rights...the evil right taking away women's rights...it gets ridiculous.

                    Politics....if you killed off the extremes at both ends of the right and left...you would actually have something.

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                    • Big Train
                      Full Member Status

                      • Apr 2004
                      • 4013

                      Originally posted by Blackflag
                      But a dollar of government research does not equal a dollar of private sector research.

                      The whole problem here is the something-for-nothing mentality. People want drugs without having to pay for the development costs. People want medical care without paying for insurance. It's all bullshit.
                      It's not all bullshit, it is an alternate solution. A dollar of government research properly spent is worth three dollars of privately spent money on research. It is just never properly spent because like all government ventures, it has a layer of management and patronage jobs which sucks out a vast portion of the value of those dollars.

                      However, private money equals patent protection and insane amounts of money to acquire the finished product, mostly because of the patent protections.

                      It's good economics. I'm happy with either way.

                      I'm just offering it up as an alternative proposal to the single minded single payer system. Cost control is the real source of the problem. Perhaps have an economic mindset applied to the problem might be a better exercise.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 59619

                        Originally posted by Big Train
                        I need to take my time to be pithy, not in a rush. How about European centric?
                        Sesh is Scottish. You should have gone with the Bay City Rollers.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Guitar Shark
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7579

                          Sesh

                          ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                          Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                          Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                          • Blackflag
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 3406

                            Originally posted by Big Train
                            A dollar of government research properly spent is worth three dollars of privately spent money on research.
                            Never has happened, never will happen. Otherwise, I see your point.

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              Originally posted by WACF
                              Not only right wing.

                              I know lefties here that do not agree with abortion being funded publicly.

                              It is a moral isssue.
                              Exactly...

                              Under Obama's delusion, taxpayers will be funding abortion whether they like or not...

                              That is WRONG!


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                              • Seshmeister
                                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                                • Oct 2003
                                • 35754

                                Once they are out of the cunt though you strongly support taxpayers paying for their death whether they like it or not.



                                Why is it exactly you have a screaming fit about the flushing of a handful of cells 99% of the time but delight in the bombing of children.

                                Why is it cool for you to pay for an Iraqi doctors child to be killed yet you worry so much about some cells in an American whore?

                                It can't be a racial thing because everyone knows America is full of people from all over the world.

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