Any thoughts on the new 23 trillion cost of free healthcare?

[GAR]

I'd rather spend "23 trillion" on keeping people alive than on murdering them in senseless wars.

Keeping fuckers alive another 20 years while they shit themselves away in retirement isn't fair to the younger generation who has to pay for it.

ESPECIALLY when the older generation agrees once confronted with the costs involved that it really isn't fair to the younger generation.

Now, talk about fair: if one war a decade in the Middle East prevents nine or ten, isn't that fair too?

Diplomacy only goes so far with them Mohammedfucks before you gotta show them the slaughter and our military does slaughter really, really well. I'm always proud of that!

If you're NOT get the fuck out..

[GAR]

Remember everyone believes they are entiltled.
It will be fun to see when a person goes to ER for an injury.

I'm entitled to keeping the Fed's sticky fingers out of my bank account.

We already figured that if I have to pay an additional 7 percent on the company copay for workers insurance, that I'm keeping my FUCKING insurance because I like it.

I'm just gonna pass the cost along to new hires, that's all - and since I let em all go in April EVERYONE's a new hire.

That means: if you want health benefits, you're paying The Black Messiah that extra 7 percent for not partaking of the govt. medical plan. And word on the street is Kaiser is being positioned to share its provider network by the Dems -or else- so no matter what, my Kaiser is gonna get fucked up by the Black Messiah's plan if it passes.

[GAR]

GAR your math is fucking woeful.

Don't give up the day job...

Total Bailout Cost = $23.7 Trillion Dollars | The Big Picture

Total Bailout Cost = $23.7 Trillion Dollars


This is a WTF number:

“U.S. taxpayers may be on the hook for as much as $23.7 trillion to bolster the economy and bail out financial companies, said Neil Barofsky, special inspector general for the Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.


The Treasury’s $700 billion bank-investment program represents a fraction of all federal support to resuscitate the U.S. financial system, including $6.8 trillion in aid offered by the Federal Reserve, Barofsky said in a report released today.


“TARP has evolved into a program of unprecedented scope, scale and complexity,” Barofsky said in testimony prepared for a hearing tomorrow before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.


Costs include $2.3 trillion in programs offered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., $7.4 trillion in TARP and other aid from the Treasury and $7.2 trillion in federal money for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, credit unions, Veterans Affairs and other federal programs, he said.

[sadaist]

Some people have slammed Kaiser. I want to tell you that you are correct, Kaiser sucks...but only at entry level. Once you get past the front lines and actually see specialists, they are terrific. At least in San Diego. But getting past that front line of defense is nearly impossible.

When I say specialist departments, I mean Oncology and the likes.

[ELVIS]

I'd rather spend "23 trillion" on keeping people alive than on murdering them in senseless wars. Funny how there's always enough money for that bullshit.

You're delusional...

[Seshmeister]

Why does everyone in this thread keep saying 23 trillion?

What does money spent saving banks have to do with free health care?

[Nickdfresh]

So your saying that the US Military and its veterans are all temp workers.
What the hell is wrong with you?

It was for me!

And good for you for treating your diabetes and getting the care you need. But if you hadn't served, you might be fucked...

[Nickdfresh]

Why does everyone in this thread keep saying 23 trillion?

What does money spent saving banks have to do with free health care?

I don't know, but if I keep seeing bullshit statistics like this thrown out, then I am canning these shit threads...

[LoungeMachine]

Total Bailout Cost = $23.7 Trillion Dollars | The Big Picture

Total Bailout Cost = $23.7 Trillion Dollars


This is a WTF number:

“U.S. taxpayers may be on the hook for as much as $23.7 trillion to bolster the economy and bail out financial companies, said Neil Barofsky, special inspector general for the Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.


The Treasury’s $700 billion bank-investment program represents a fraction of all federal support to resuscitate the U.S. financial system, including $6.8 trillion in aid offered by the Federal Reserve, Barofsky said in a report released today.


“TARP has evolved into a program of unprecedented scope, scale and complexity,” Barofsky said in testimony prepared for a hearing tomorrow before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.


Costs include $2.3 trillion in programs offered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., $7.4 trillion in TARP and other aid from the Treasury and $7.2 trillion in federal money for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, credit unions, Veterans Affairs and other federal programs, he said.

So, moron...... WTF does that have to do with "free healthcare", you fucking braindead oxygen thief.



I'm with Nick. This dumbass bullshit should go to the DUMP.

Go play make believe there, fuckbag.

[FORD]

You're delusional...

...says the NURSE without his own health care coverage.

[GAR]

You're delusional...

That's basically the classic argument for the Democratic Distraction.

I saw a clip on Hannitys show, with Pelosi saying in an interview "..one of the best things we do up here, is distraction of the Republicans from what we really intend."

When FORD pulls THAT ol' gag from 2003 of ".. but Bush, Bush and Bush" he does it mnemonically from watching too much television, not that he truly understands why or how he absorbed it along the way.

But I noticed it works for him in the DLR forums because just as in normal conversation, the minute someone answers to your distraction, you relieve control of the discussion to the distractor.

Pelosi loves this Clintonian technique because.. it works! However, it is childish and sooo 2003.. she and her bunch have run it into the ground leaving no substance.

AND: tonite she's announced she's got enough votes to pass this Healthcare Spendulus bill in Congress before summer break when a) just as of yesterday she was short 43 of her own Democratic votes (mostly bluedog dems) and all but 11 Repubs.

If she doesn't have the votes after that announcement it'll become the sword she chose to die on after her CIA tussle!

[Nickdfresh]

That's basically the classic argument for the Democratic Distraction.

I saw a clip on Hannitys show, with Pelosi saying in an interview "..one of the best things we do up here, is distraction of the Republicans from what we really intend."

When FORD pulls THAT ol' gag from 2003 of ".. but Bush, Bush and Bush" he does it mnemonically from watching too much television, not that he truly understands why or how he absorbed it along the way.

But I noticed it works for him in the DLR forums because just as in normal conversation, the minute someone answers to your distraction, you relieve control of the discussion to the distractor.

Pelosi loves this Clintonian technique because.. it works! However, it is childish and sooo 2003.. she and her bunch have run it into the ground leaving no substance.

AND: tonite she's announced she's got enough votes to pass this Healthcare Spendulus bill in Congress before summer break when a) just as of yesterday she was short 43 of her own Democratic votes (mostly bluedog dems) and all but 11 Repubs.

If she doesn't have the votes after that announcement it'll become the sword she chose to die on after her CIA tussle!

You took your mouth off a cock to notice all that, huh? Did the store near the ally have Fox Snewz on?

[standin]

Gar you are a Wacko Winger.

[FORD]

Posted by a Canadian at Democratic Underground

Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts)

Tue Jul-21-09 12:29 PM

Words you'll never hear in the Canadian health care system

As a Canadian I marvel at all of these terms that are so common to Americans, but are virtually unknown to us.

Here's a partial list off the top of my head:

1. "Out of network"
There are no "networks" in Canada. Doctors and hospitals are not affiliated with private insurance companies. Doctors are private business entities and hospitals are usually run by non-profit boards or regional health associations.

2. "COBRA"
Health coverage is NOT tied to your place of employment in any way. So any COBRA-like scheme is unnecessary.

3. "Co-Pay"
The government pays 100% of basic care, 100% of the time. Drugs are not covered, but are subsidized by government to a point. And because of mass buys, discounts are obtained from the drug companies. That's why our prices are so much lower. Most employers offer a drug plan that pays for 100% of drug cost coverage.

4. "monthly premium\deductible"
Wazzat? We don't consider our health to be the same as our possessions.

5. "waiting for approval"
Doctors are the sole decision makers for health care. NOBODY influences or delays their decisions, warns them of costs or prevents them from giving treatment for any reason.

6. "Government interference"
The provincial government in each province PAYS for whatever services doctors provide. No questions asked. Unless the procedure is experimental, not medically necessary or unwarranted, doctors cannot deny basic care - by law.

7. "Health insurance lobby"
There are NO insurance companies for basic care, only companies for providing insurance for travelers. No money to be made here.

8. "bureaucracy"
When we visit a hospital or doctor's office, we walk in, get treated, walk out. No "applications", "registrations" or any other kind of paperwork is required. We NEVER have to talk to a single "government official" or wait for a "judgment".

9. "PRE-EXISTING CONDITION"
This is such a foreign concept to us. A Canadian's usual reaction to the explanation of this term is astonishment.


I'm glad to see that a sane health care system is within reach in America. Fight for it. It's WORTH it.

Would any of our Hoser friends like to add anything to his comments?

[ELVIS]

...says the NURSE without his own health care coverage.

Government mandated, or Socialized medicine (which is exactly what it is) is in no way intended to help americans, dumbass...

it will increase abortions, ration healthcare (especially for the elderly as well as people beyond the useful working age) and generally tax us ALL to death, not to mention mandatory FEES that will have to be involved. Right now I could buy healthcare for $150 a month. I choose not to. Under Obaahaahaahaahaahaahaahma's plan, I wouldn't have that FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

But it's not going to pass. NO WAY!