Crowley Disappointed Obama 'Waded Into Local Issue'

[Sucker of Satan's Penis]

I know your heart, IGO and it is full of hardness and blasphemy.

The White Devil's heart is even blacker - obvious to me since I know what goes on within the minds of mortals.. but less obvious to you.

It is my declaration that these Infidels must pay remittance to my Son Buraq over this, and quickly!

[sadaist]

When you are speaking to a police officer, whether it's for something simple as an infraction like a broken tail light, or something that could be a felony like breaking & entering....you speak to them with respect. Yes officer, no officer. Yes sir, no sir. I don't care how fucking innocent you are or how big a dick the cop is. I've been in situations with black, white & hispanic friends where we were questioned by police. Drinking on the beach at night, speeding ticket, sobriety checkpoints, noise complaint from a house party, etc... The guy who always gets arrested is the guy who starts mouthing off to the police and is the biggest asshole.

I'm tired of people using their color as a form of diplomatic immunity to be an asshole to a cop who is doing their job.

[Seshmeister]

Cops are a necessary evil and the key is in the first 20 seconds to make sure they realize you are one of the good guys. Cops spend their lives putting people in pigeon holes so it makes life easier if you are immediately in the right one.

A couple of times since we moved to the nice house cops have come around for different reasons and the way they treat me here is just incredible. It's like those Agatha Christie things on TV where they visit the big house on manor and act like they are almost subservient. Then one day it gets to the point where I found myself on the phone once and shooing a cop away. Our alarm system had falsely called the cops, our fault and I'm waving my arm at the cop to go fuck off can't he see I'm busy.

And he did!

It was only afterwards I thought about how that was rude but then I thought fuck it 'they' owe me.

I'm still the same person and even still have a fairly silly hairstyle and remember the way I would be treated when I was younger and not in the expensive house.

Like being a city late at night after a gig with our guitars and stuff and getting pushed around by drunk assholes. Our singer went up to some cops to ask for help and was told "Go fuck himself or I'll arrest you fucking homo." I had a fair amount of shit and hassle off of cops at that time without ever doing anything wrong at all. Another time as an 18 year old kid I was a witness to a theft in a pub. I ended up at the police station until 3am waiting for 4 hours to make a statement and when I asked if I could phone home to say where I was I was again told to fuck myself.

I guess that's maybe a bit like what it feels like to be black in the US? He'll have history with cops and maybe a lot worse than me.

I'm not sticking up for the guy and I think people like him maybe don't realize that the way to beat that shit is to move on but I do kind of understand it.

As for Obama - of course he should never have got involved.

[Nickdfresh]

What contradiction? As I said above... The cop gets called to the house about a break-in, and sees someone inside who won't come outside and identify himself. If it's not "procedure" to go inside, what do you think procedure is? Stand outside and talk to him through the wall? Take his word for it that he lives there? Leave? Give me a break.

Um, he did "identify himself." He provided ID on his property, the arrest took place after and was "disorderly conduct." For what? Calling a cop and asshole? Talking about his mother? Tough shit! Last time I checked the Constitution you so love to claim covers everything, I think it said something of "freedom of speech" and there is a long tradition of attempting to prevent unlawful, unwarranted "search and seizure." And you have the right to insult police officers and get their badge numbers to file complaints...

*It would be different if this guy had fucked with the cops, and it hadn't been on his property. But it was. The police have no more right to be on ones property once positive ID is est. than anyone else...

You don't know what really happened, and neither do I, or Obama. But if there's any truth to the cop's report, Gates is a douchebag just looking to sue / be a celebrity. Either way, Obama was an idiot to get involved.

I could give a shit about Obama...

[Guitar Shark]

Then one day it gets to the point where I found myself on the phone once and shooing a cop away. Our alarm system had falsely called the cops, our fault and I'm waving my arm at the cop to go fuck off can't he see I'm busy.

And he did!

It was only afterwards I thought about how that was rude but then I thought fuck it 'they' owe me.

The consequences of such behavior are considerably less serious when the cop is armed only with a nightstick...

Try that in the US and I bet the result would be very different, no matter how big your house.

[Blackflag]

Um, he did "identify himself." He provided ID on his property, the arrest took place after and was "disorderly conduct." For what? Calling a cop and asshole? Talking about his mother? Tough shit! Last time I checked the Constitution you so love to claim covers everything, I think it said something of "freedom of speech" and there is a long tradition of attempting to prevent unlawful, unwarranted "search and seizure." And you have the right to insult police officers and get their badge numbers to file complaints...

Are you saying if you scream in a cop's face, you can't be arrested for disorderly conduct, because of the First Amendment?

We're a long way from a racial issue now, because this happens to people of all different colors.

[Nickdfresh]

Are you saying if you scream in a cop's face, you can't be arrested for disorderly conduct, because of the First Amendment?

Define "screaming in his face?"

We're a long way from a racial issue now, because this happens to people of all different colors.

Right. Which is why I think there is a big civil liberties aspect to this...

[Seshmeister]

The consequences of such behavior are considerably less serious when the cop is armed only with a nightstick...

That's kind of the point and why we still try to desperately cling on to unarmed police. You can still kind of see them as a community service.

There's something about a gun that changes that relationship.

Unfortunately we are inevitably losing that here too.

[Nickdfresh]

That's kind of the point and why we still try to desperately cling on to unarmed police. You can still kind of see them as a community service.

There's something about a gun that changes that relationship.

Unfortunately we are inevitably losing that here too.

And all those cameras. I saw something on BBC America recently that there are somewhat rural British towns and districts of London that have more cameras than the entire cities of San Fransisco, Paris, and Madrid combined...

[Seshmeister]

Yeah that helps a bit too.

You have to realise that Britain is much more compact than the US. There are dozens of towns with hundreds of bars and every weekend 10s of thousands of young people get really drunk.

By having lots of cameras in town centres they know if they start shit then when it goes to court the evidence will stand up.

The camera thing doesn't really bother me and I am all for civil liberties. Flipside is it keeps the cops in check too.

[Seshmeister]

Explain why that was a worthless post Blackflag.

[Blackflag]

Explain why that was a worthless post Blackflag.

See quote in Nickipedia's signature. There should be no cameras.

[Seshmeister]

There should be no lots of things.

I would rather have cameras in city centres than guns everywhere.

[Blackflag]

There should be no lots of things.

I would rather have cameras in city centres than guns everywhere.

What you want should be irrelevant to whether I'm monitored by a camera. Or whether I own a gun.

Though I fail to see what one has to do with the other.

[Seshmeister]

It's a different culture.

If you have a bunch of cops walking about armed to the teeth then maybe you don't need the cameras.

If your main problem is drunk people hitting each other with their fists then you maybe need cameras. If your main problem is a gun murder rate 5 or 10 times higher than the rest of the world maybe you need armed police.