Crowley Disappointed Obama 'Waded Into Local Issue'

[Blackflag]

I would think if you're proud of your country having lower crime, that would be an argument not to have cameras. Drunks hitting each other is a pathetic reason to give up your freedom to travel freely without being monitored. I doubt you could deter a drunk with logic, either. Yet, they got you to buy into it.

[Seshmeister]

I dunno I just don't see cameras in public places as a great infringement on my freedom.

I'm much more bothered about police or court powers than cameras which I just see as an evidence tool. Nowadays everyone has camera phones anyway.

[Blackflag]

And if cameras are alright, I guess DNA fingerprinting all citizens is ok, too. What else will you people put up with, I wonder? Incrementalism. There's just no reason for a person who isn't committing a crime to be monitored.

[Seshmeister]

It's funny to me - your government can make literally 100s of thousands of you join their military to give up years of your life, and risk death or injury in order to get an education or health care for your family. Your electoral system gives you very little choice between two parties which are owned by rich lobbyists and you can't hold a protest march against your government without getting a permit in advance from your government.

Yet you keep on clicking on the Jackass button because I don't care if there are cameras in the city centre of a country thousands of miles away from you.

No wonder you are so popular in this forum...

[Seshmeister]

And if cameras are alright, I guess DNA fingerprinting all citizens is ok, too.

No it's not. Totally different argument.

[Blackflag]

No it's not. Totally different argument.

It's just an evidence tool. If you're not doing anything wrong, it shouldn't bother you.

[Blackflag]

It's funny to me - your government can make literally 100s of thousands of you join their military to give up years of your life, and risk death or injury in order to get an education or health care for your family. Your electoral system gives you very little choice between two parties which are owned by rich lobbyists and you can't hold a protest march against your government without getting a permit in advance from your government.

And you think the UK is different? Please.

None of that has anything to do with cameras on the street, by the way.

No wonder you are so popular in this forum...

If I were unpopular, it would be because I keep it real. But I'm not.

[Seshmeister]

It's just an evidence tool. If you're not doing anything wrong, it shouldn't bother you.

No because it affects the detection process.

If cops get an immediate match then they will stop looking so it makes it too easy for people to fake evidence.

Secondly say you have a 1 in 10 million gene match in a population of 100 million. The cops arrest you because of this and you live in the area and you have no alibi.

The prosecution can stand up and say "It's a 1 in 10 million chance that it isn't Blackflag that committed this crime."

The jury will convict you.

The thing is though that in this case there are actually 9 other people with the same DNA as you so it's not 1 in 10 million that you didn't do it, it's 1 in 10 that you did.

That's entirely different from cameras because the cameras almost always are additional evidence.

[Seshmeister]

BTW at no point have I said you should get cameras in the US, I'm just saying they don't bother me in the UK.

[Blackflag]

No because . . .

And if you mix the cameras with facial recognition software, you get the same fucking thing.

[Dolemite!]

I thought camera evidence couldn't be used in court in the UK. Or atleast by the general public if they wish?



Anyway, the police have been detaining and stopping people known to attend anti-war rallies. I'm sure the cameras are there to keep the terrorists in check, not anti-govt types. They're also still tying to get the id cards into use. Comrade Winston, you're not training hard enough! Remember the sacrifice the troops are making in Iraq and shape up.

[Seshmeister]

I thought camera evidence couldn't be used in court in the UK.

No it's wiretap evidence that can't be used.

I don't really understand why not, maybe Blackflag will think it makes us more free?

[Seshmeister]

And if you mix the cameras with facial recognition software, you get the same fucking thing.

I think you are confusing real life with science fiction.

[Dolemite!]

No it's wiretap evidence that can't be used.

I don't really understand why not, maybe Blackflag will think it makes us more free?

You're ok with wiretapping and email checking? Even when it's known that a lot of this data gets "lost" or hacked into.

This might have meant something if the M15 wasn't actively recruiting and inciting terrorists themselves, but as it stands this is the full blown police state in progress.

[Seshmeister]

Its a balancing act. You can't say that email cannot be used as evidence of a crime but you also don't want the government going on fishing missions at random. Same with wiretapping.