Cash for Clunkers

[thome]

Who told you that? Bill O'Reilly?



Glenn Beck?



I find it offensive that people call this "socialism". That's a Fox News talking point and it should be treated as equally relevant and important as, well, anything else they espouse.

Obama's far too moderate to be a true socialist.

Grain O' Salt, brother man.

I have seen O'Rielly maybe three times all the way thru. I usually last 3 min with him once a week if that, if he has those -Hot Blondes- on the panel and when I get finished oogl'n them cans and understand the language I turn the channel.


Never seen Glen Beck..no nothing ../?

Anyone who was against the liberal agenda and has points against democratic socialism ....to everyone... anymore, is a "Fox News Cronie"...

I wonder what I was befor "Faux" news as it is called here ...what 10 years ago...? So trendy you all are with you cool gay spellings, LIKE ME!

You all can't be all bad..lol

Can I be called that name ....??

What I was labeled as, before the invention of The Faux people swastika pin YOU MOTHERS KEEP PUTTING ON MY LAPEL!

Just kidding....... Keep the faith, save your money, that free toaster at "Bank Whatever" isn't free at all my brother.

[bueno bob]

Cool. Tell your neighbor he's welcome. Since the money I work every day for helped pay for his new car.

I'll do nothing of the sort. You didn't do any more for him than what he did for himself, unless you're the ONLY one paying taxes.

That's such a bullshit argument. Fanciful, yes, but bullshit anyway.

Funny, two years ago when I bought my truck no one was offering me assistance. So I paid for all of my car, and a portion of everyone who waited until now to buy a car under this program. Sounds fair.

Same for me. You think you're alone in that boat? The world's out to get you? Again, my neighbor pays as much in taxes as you do. Unless you've tracked the serial number of your specific tax check and followed where it was distributed to (each and every penny), you don't have any fucking CLUE if he benefited from YOUR taxes.

If you wanted to go out and do the same thing yourself, would that make YOU the bad guy and HIM the guy that you took advantage of?

No.

Of course, if you don't like how your tax dollars are being spent, you could always refuse to pay. Until then, you're in no worse shape and being no more "abused" then anyone else in the country. You could, I suppose, one up it all by leaving the country in protest.

I've driven crap vehicles before. I sacrificed and saved. Passed on concerts, restaurants, bowling, hell...anything to stash another $20 into the auto fund.

I'm sure yours is a solitary case, too.

When will the program to help people buy more energy efficient appliances start?

As long as tax dollars are being returned to the American public in forms of assistance, RATHER than going to promote bullshit overseas war agendas, I'd be in favor of it.

I need a new refrigerator and I want you guys to help me pay for it. I'd save on my own, but there's some new dvd's I want to buy. Thanks in advance.

Working transportation is one thing. I suppose a refrigerator is probably another. If you're living in an apartment, than the apartment will provide or not - either way, it's not your concern, as per your rental agreement. If you own your own house and your refrigerator might die on you any day, and your entire sustenance depends on said refrigerator (cases will certainly vary), then there may be another case to be made for it.

In the meantime, go buy your DVDs. Get back to me when you're working poor and struggling with two jobs to put Macaroni & Cheese on the table every night, hoping to Christ that your car lasts you just a little while long so that you can maintain both jobs, and THEN maybe you'll have a point to make.

Of course, the point will STILL remain that tax dollars are going to the assistance of the American public, and I'll probably tell you the same thing.

[thome]

A $17,500 car costs the average dealer exactly $4500.00.

That is so convienient, a real deal.

They still make 10Grand + long term interests (medium actualy) or so and you will pay with interest about 29,000 over the 5 years.

Why don't they just offer new cars for 10,000 and no trade in money for your junker and they still make 5,500 on every sale.

WHY, because that would actually benefit us, that's why.

Like I said, if you want a pament for a vehicle that costs you 29,000 and does exactly the same thing (point A to point B) as the one you have now and probably cost you 800.00 a year in property taxes and repairs go for it.

The propety taxes on a junker I have as a fixer upper is 58.00 per year. Runs like a top look like sh!t till I get done with it.

The property taxes the first year on a new Toyota 4 wheel, is 1,600.00 and the next 1,200 and so on till ..... Any nice vehicle that hold it's resale value will never have less than 1,200.00 per year in tax alone.So to speak the decrease becomes minimal thru depreciation bla bla.//../.

[lesfunk]

buy another bass lately? :D

of course you can probably write those off, huh?

Actually I'm selling off gear to help make ends meet.

[Nickdfresh]

In every other country where "cash for clunkers" (one of the worst, most ineptly named pieces of legislative catch-phrases ever, it should be "cash for GUZZLERS"!), it has significantly helped the auto industry (specifically in the UK, France, and Germany) and allowed people on the fence unable to buy a new car to get one. The problem is that it was a great idea that was sort of botched, and they should have waited a bit until they had a chance to get the ducks in a row, and just provided more money from the beginning.

In any case, it has increased traffic significantly and gotten some rotten old leaking junk off the roads...

[thome]

In every other country where "cash for clunkers" (one of the worst, most ineptly named pieces of legislative catch-phrases ever, it should be "cash for GUZZLERS"!), it has significantly helped the auto industry (specifically in the UK, France, and Germany) and allowed people on the fence unable to buy a new car to get one. The problem is that it was a great idea that was sort of botched, and they should have waited a bit until they had a chance to get the ducks in a row, and just provided more money from the beginning.

In any case, it has increased traffic significantly and gotten some rotten old leaking junk off the roads...

Yeah Right.

Times are tough your headed for the poor house go get a new car and payment.

I call BS

It is sheep thinking lemmings, will go get a new car.

ALL CARS GUZZLE SOMETHING!

EDIT: TYPICAL BULLSH!T Save the world by getting in debt...shattapp!!!

[Nickdfresh]

I'm not talking about "shitheap" vehicles...

Good for him for getting the $4500 (BTW, he has already paid more than that, regardless) for junk...if you don't know that, you're an idiot...

But from what i've seen, a great percentage of these cars GIVEN AWAY to the government, are perfectly fine, operational vehicles! I have a big problem with that...

If you can get $4500 for a real 300,000 mile clunker that is bought and paid for, than good for you...


IT'S A SCAM!

"Given away to the gov't?" WTF are you talking about? The cars are made inoperable, then scrapped at salvage yards with their steel being smelted. While there have been some decent vehicles that probably work perfectly, there are also rotten pieces of junk contaminating the environment by leaking oils and contributing to smog and using up fossil fuels that are being taken off the road and replaced with ULEV engines and people are learning to make do with a smaller hatchback and sedan as a small family vehicle rather than using the excuse of having a couple of kids to buy enormous SUVs to compensate for small penises and insecurities. Many of these vehicles also would have needed repairs to stay in running condition, and often owners completely ignore that anyways...

[bueno bob]

The property taxes on a junker I have as a fixer upper is 58.00 per year. Runs like a top look like sh!t till I get done with it.

Not everybody can repair their own vehicle, thome. Not everybody can afford to have a car die on them with a blown headgasket or a stripped transmission. Paying over a thousand dollars for repairs can be catastrophic for some families. Hell, paying $300.00 for repairs can be catastrophic. And how do you get the money when you absolutely need it and nobody can help and you've got pennies left to last you for two days before you get your next paycheck? Payday advances? It'll work, but once they get their hooks in you, that's even MORE detrimental.

The bottom line is reliable transportation is a NECESSITY, especially to working families with kids. You can't just fall back on write-offs like "Well, save your money!" either because many working class people CAN'T. The cost of living in proportion to the rate of pay is exponentially out of alignment and everybody knows it.

This program is designed to help people with the burden, get the economy in order by influencing vehicle sales (which has been wildly successful) and may even help to stabilize emissions control as a distant third.

Numbers won't always agree in every case; in some cases, it probably IS better to keep a so-so car in the hopes that it won't run into a life threatening problem. But that's up to individual families to figure and decide for themselves. It can't be used as a be-all end-all to say why the program sucks. Everybody is different and every situation is different, but having been there myself once (and knowing people who are STILL in it), I can certainly identify with the need and the benefits.

Were it four years ago, I'd have done it myself.

[thome]

"Given away to the gov't?" WTF are you talking about? The cars are made inoperable, then scrapped at salvage yards with their steel being smelted. While there have been some decent vehicles that probably work perfectly, there are also rotten pieces of junk contaminating the environment by leaking oils and contributing to smog and using up fossil fuels that are being taken off the road and replaced with ULEV engines and people are learning to make do with a smaller hatchback and sedan as a small family vehicle rather than using the excuse of having a couple of kids to buy enormous SUVs to compensate for small penises and insecurities. Many of these vehicles also would have needed repairs to stay in running condition, and often owners completely ignore that anyways...

I am suspecting someone is proxy posting in Nicks name the above statement is so fukking retarded I just must believe it was a crime somehow.

[Nickdfresh]

And it's amazing how the government program ran out of money only 8% into the scheduled time for this. Can't wait for them to be running my health care. Should be smooth sailing.

The government didn't account for greedy dealers jumping the gun and (in some cases illegally) writing deals in early July. So, many of the Cash for Clunker cars sales were actually completed prior to the program taking effect officially on July 24th...

Secondly, a billion was a drop in the bucket with most countries previously initiating such programs at proportionally higher levels of funding initially as there was bound to be an initial surge that would slow down over time...

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah Right.

Times are tough your headed for the poor house go get a new car and payment.

I call BS

Your head is filled with BS. No one said anything about a false choice of "poor house" or new car.

It is sheep thinking lemmings, will go get a new car.

ALL CARS GUZZLE SOMETHING!

EDIT: TYPICAL BULLSH!T Save the world by getting in debt...shattapp!!!

Why don't you go guzzle some more cheap beer, dummy...

[bueno bob]

Secondly, a billion was a drop in the bucket with most countries previously initiating such programs at proportionally higher levels of funding initially as there was bound to be an initial surge that would slow down over time...

Exactly. Everything new, especially new and on this type of level, is going to generate a high level of interest right out of the gate.

JJ Abrams version of "Star Trek" isn't filling theaters now, either, but it certainly did on opening Friday...

[thome]

Not everybody can repair their own vehicle, thome. Not everybody can afford to have a car die on them with a blown headgasket or a stripped transmission. Paying over a thousand dollars for repairs can be catastrophic for some families. Hell, paying $300.00 for repairs can be catastrophic. And how do you get the money when you absolutely need it and nobody can help and you've got pennies left to last you for two days before you get your next paycheck? Payday advances? It'll work, but once they get their hooks in you, that's even MORE detrimental.

The bottom line is reliable transportation is a NECESSITY, especially to working families with kids. You can't just fall back on write-offs like "Well, save your money!" either because many working class people CAN'T. The cost of living in proportion to the rate of pay is exponentially out of alignment and everybody knows it.

This program is designed to help people with the burden, get the economy in order by influencing vehicle sales (which has been wildly successful) and may even help to stabilize emissions control as a distant third.

Numbers won't always agree in every case; in some cases, it probably IS better to keep a so-so car in the hopes that it won't run into a life threatening problem. But that's up to individual families to figure and decide for themselves. It can't be used as a be-all end-all to say why the program sucks. Everybody is different and every situation is different, but having been there myself once (and knowing people who are STILL in it), I can certainly identify with the need and the benefits.

Were it four years ago, I'd have done it myself.

I hear you, but most people will be talked into buying the showroom floor model and way out of thier price range .

Due to -sales commission- salesmen, who could give a fukk about nelly's mom's need for a lexus to drive the kids to school in instead of that 5 to 10 year old mini-van.

[thome]

Your head is filled with BS. No one said anything about a false choice of "poor house" or new car.



Why don't you go guzzle some more cheap beer, dummy...

You Buy'n, richie rich payment stimulo's man..?

[Nickdfresh]

I am suspecting someone is proxy posting in Nicks name the above statement is so fukking retarded I just must believe it was a crime somehow.

At least I know how to spell "fucking," as you're a fucking douchebag. Maybe someday, they'll have a 'cash for trailers' program -and then you can get a new house!