Attention 9/11 Truthers

[Nitro Express]

Money or power.

It's really difficult to convince people to risk their lives fighting for you without a religion to promise them an afterlife.

I came close to dying a year ago and had the near death experience so many people talk about. Like Nixxi Six I was staring down at my body and frankly, there is an afterlife but it has ZERO to do with any religion. It cracks me up that people think they have to be on some program to get their eternal reward. If anything, you just move to another dimension. For me it was a pretty nice place actually.

[Seshmeister]

I wouldn't believe a word that Sixx says about anything but your story is definitely a nice thought.

I hope it wasn't just your mind playing tricks on you.

[Terry]

The problem with most of these 9/11 Truther theories is their explanations are frankly far less realistic than the explanations provided by the 9/11 Commission.

If 9/11 resulted from years of resentment by certain Middle East groups pissed off at America for meddling in what they considered to be their affairs, one can only imagine the emotions our actions of the last 7 years are stirring up now...not only among those who hated us already, but possibly among those who had no real beef with us before we attacked Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003.

Think we'll get attacked on our own shores again as a result?

As a nation, seems like we learn nothing from history.

[Seshmeister]

I'm not going to use this stupid self named "9-11 Truthers" bullshit.

Conspiracy nuts or 9-11 Loons is more accurate.

[Seshmeister]

If I believe my late grandfather, (and I do) he genuinely wanted to
stop the Japanese from invading his beloved Australia via New Guinea.
No religion involved in his decision.....

I said difficult not impossible. I was really alluding to military adventures overseas rather than defending your homeland against direct attack.

[thome]

If 9/11 resulted from years of resentment by certain Middle East groups pissed off at America for meddling in what they considered to be their affairs, one can only imagine the emotions our actions of the last 7 years are stirring up now...not only among those who hated us already, but possibly among those who had no real beef with us before we attacked Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003.

What group like some guy and his dupes..?

Mohammed...?

We Meddled with thier Gwad..?

Thier Country....?

You mean perhaps thier sadistic view of the cave they grunted up each others asses in/ lived in ..?

Or was it thier apartment in Germany..?

They weren't happy going to the Jigglie Hut and getting lap dances from Infidel white trash when they had their apartment in Florida..?

Unhappy nut cases gotta place the blame somewhere?

Did we Mess with thier rent..?

Why do you honor these guys..? who did little more than hit a old lady( all forgivness to the dead in NY) on the head with a hammer.



The USA and the world had absolutely no effect on these MF'ers at all.

Did we raise their corporate gains tax and Osama lost 40 K in the market?

I suppose the owners of the buildings and the government that the twin towers resided in should just leave granny on the GODDAMN FLOOR!

Here is the deal, it is called, If you allow terrorists to live and train and you subsidize them you will be attacked and destroyed..end of discussion.

If Iran wants some action up thier ass we will fukk them too .

You can hate us all you want you hit granny on the head I am sorry I wasn't there to prevent it, just like Clinton.

[jhale667]

This goes further to explain the spontaneous (for lack of a better word) collapse of the Towers than anything else I've seen, so totally on board with that...I've always heard the "there's never been another fire-related skyscraper collapse in history" to support the (airliner-assisted) controlled demolition theory, but then can you think of another time a skyscraper got broadsided by a passenger jet?


Makes sense...but still, how did the other, non-impacted building collapse, when there wouldn't likely have been enough if any jet-fuel heating things up enough to warp the steel...not to mention the pictures showing it damaged on the front face only...so how then does it still collapse into it's own footprint ala a controlled demolition? And why traces of Thermite?

Also, when you start to think of the sheer number of people that'd be involved in any mass conspiracy - diverting and landing the original planes, replacing them...that's too many peeps for the Witness Protection Agency before you factor in all the Towers' occupants.

Just makes ya wonder...y'know? But do they offer explanation of that, too?

Couldn't find a showtime...are these just "webisodes" , or an entire program?

[Seshmeister]

I don't get the thermite argument at all, it's completely stupid.

The residues of thermite were obviously there because when they were looking for survivors and then clearing up they had to cut the steel up into pieces. Why is that so difficult for people???

A 20 second check on Google and you can even see them doing it for fuck sake.

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The other non impacted building that they always get excited about, fuck knows why, burnt down.

They always show the side that doesn't look very damaged but if you look at the other side it's completely fucked up by the damage caused by 2 spectacularly huge buildings collapsing beside it.

[jhale667]

For starters...

I don't get the thermite argument at all, it's completely stupid.

The residues of thermite were obviously there because when they were looking for survivors and then clearing up they had to cut the steel up into pieces. Why is that so difficult for people???

Can only speak for myself, but...
Not being a welder by trade, didn't know it was used in applications outside of explosives...

Lighten up, Francis.

The real question is was the Bush Administration just inept, or enablers....

[Blackflag]

[Seshmeister]

The real question is was the Bush Administration just inept, or enablers....

They looked pretty inept to me...

[Panamark]

I said difficult not impossible. I was really alluding to military adventures overseas rather than defending your homeland against direct attack.

Yes, in fact Australia's willingness to defend itself is quite legendary.
If you look at our actual population in WW1, the number of men who
voluntarily went off and fought, and the number we lost. Its
huge.

"For Australia, as for many nations, the First World War remains the most costly conflict in terms of deaths and casualties. From a population of fewer than five million, 416,809 men enlisted, of which over 60,000 were killed and 156,000 wounded, gassed, or taken prisoner.

The outbreak of war was greeted in Australia, as in many other places, with great public enthusiasm. In response to the overwhelming number of volunteers, the authorities set exacting physical standards for recruits."


I've read elsewhere where we our population was 4 and a bit million,
half a million went off (voluntarily) to fight. Thats a shitload of the general
population wanting to defend the homeland. WW2 stats reflect the same
percentages.

WW2 we had 6 and a bit million general population and around 1 million
went off to fight (voluntarily)

I guess if you applied the same percentages against the much bigger
nations involved, this is actually quite impressive. Again this was all
about homeland defence, not religion.

Seems thats the only other way apart from Religion to unite soldiers,
unless we bring mercanaries into the equation !!

[bueno bob]

I came close to dying a year ago and had the near death experience so many people talk about. Like Nixxi Six I was staring down at my body and frankly, there is an afterlife but it has ZERO to do with any religion. It cracks me up that people think they have to be on some program to get their eternal reward. If anything, you just move to another dimension. For me it was a pretty nice place actually.

My wife described the exact same experience, staring down at her body, when she had hers. Her outlook on organized religion is even more militant than mine, believe it or not...but she says the exact same things.

[Panamark]

My grandmother drowned, had a NDE and was resussitated,
described it as a beautiful experience and if she could choose a way
to go, that would be it. (Once you get past the initial panic and
actually die) She was a christian before the event and I guess
was after, but she didnt go to church anymore. Unfortunately
she died later in different circumstances, but It makes me feel
good knowing she would have returned to that wonderful dimension
she described to us all.....

[Dan]

Yes, in fact Australia's willingness to defend itself is quite legendary.
If you look at our actual population in WW1, the number of men who
voluntarily went off and fought, and the number we lost. Its
huge.

"For Australia, as for many nations, the First World War remains the most costly conflict in terms of deaths and casualties. From a population of fewer than five million, 416,809 men enlisted, of which over 60,000 were killed and 156,000 wounded, gassed, or taken prisoner.

The outbreak of war was greeted in Australia, as in many other places, with great public enthusiasm. In response to the overwhelming number of volunteers, the authorities set exacting physical standards for recruits."


I've read elsewhere where we our population was 4 and a bit million,
half a million went off (voluntarily) to fight. Thats a shitload of the general
population wanting to defend the homeland. WW2 stats reflect the same
percentages.

WW2 we had 6 and a bit million general population and around 1 million
went off to fight (voluntarily)

I guess if you applied the same percentages against the much bigger
nations involved, this is actually quite impressive. Again this was all
about homeland defence, not religion.

Seems thats the only other way apart from Religion to unite soldiers,
unless we bring mercanaries into the equation !!

Don't Forgot The Kiwi Brother's Too.