Attention 9/11 Truthers

[Seshmeister]

The YouTube clip has 5000 comments and at a quick glance most seem to be part of his cult. It's almost frightening you can have thousands of people listening to his crap like zombies.

Someone should make a list of the current number of people that would need to be in on this 'conspiracy'. Apart from almost all the rescue workers on the day, all the civil engineering experts in the world, government, CIA etc etc. blah fucking blah Not to mention Bush himself of course.

"So your plan is that I sit there like a fucking asshole reading a kids book during this? You think that will get me re-elected." We also have to include all the journalists too because none of them have noticed that all the victims families are played by actors.

Jones is either a mentally ill paranoid delusionist or just a huckster but you're right to get annoyed Kristy because it's offensive to the victims if nothing else.

[Guitar Shark]

Jones is either a mentally ill paranoid delusionist or just a huckster but you're right to get annoyed Kristy because it's offensive to the victims if nothing else.

But Sheen said he's speaking on behalf of the victims!!!

You mean that isn't true?

[Panamark]

Let's put it this way...when I was six years old, my brother purchased a dog for our family. My father, due to his experiences in WW II promptly named the animal ANZAC. During the war, my dad had met several Australian troops during his tours, and learned about the experiences of the ANZACS in the first world war. My dad took the time to explain to me what had happened at Gallipoli, and further told me of the bravery of the Australian troops he'd encountered.

You see, the animal my brother brought home was an Australian Terrier. I was thankful for the dog at the time, but over the years I'm far more thankful for the lessons learned about the ANZACS. As a friend of mine at another site once so astutely pointed out: "Australian troops have balls the size of locomotives".

Nice ! The Aussies and New Zealander combination (Australian and New Zealand Army Corp) have that reputation even to this day.
Even in recent conflicts when a kick ass group of troops are needed
they normally grab 1000 or so of our SAS soldiers to go in.
Makes me really proud as my old grandfather was one of them. He made
it back so I got to hear some really cool stories. In fact I still have his
little Anzac soldiers survival in New Guinea book here, which was part
of his kit. Really interesting to read after all these years.

I dont know what to put it down too, either an overwhelming love of
our country or no fear of death, or a comnination of the two.
We treat sport in the same way. Its an obsession.

Reciprocally, my grandfather met and befriended many Marines,
who he held great respect for. My Grandfather used to do some
wacky stuff in New Guniea, he would build little bark canoes
and just go off paddling with his little camera, (rifle next to him)
and half the time end up being shot at. He got to do a fair bit on
his own, I guess "Sniper" would be a good term. He did get
to spend time at camps too and I heard all the mischief they
used to get up to. Playing jokes and tricks on superiors seemed
to be the way to get a good laugh in that environment.
(I wont bore everyone with all those stories)

I hope the terrier was a cool dog, thanks for making me
remember a few things.

[Nickdfresh]

You don't have 1000 SAS.

But yes, the Aussies do have a very good reputation through all the Wars as being tenacious.

[Kristy]

But yes, the Aussies do have a very good reputation through all the Wars as being tenacious.

They have to be in order that they get back to making this



Love that beer. LOVE IT!

[BITEYOASS]

Every time I think of nutjob paranoid conspiracy theorists, I think of this asshole:

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[Seshmeister]

But yes, the Aussies do have a very good reputation through all the Wars as being tenacious.

It's all part of the game though isn't it?

Have you ever met a nationality who said "Our troops are shit. They are completely crap I don't know why they bother..."?

[Panamark]

You don't have 1000 SAS.

But yes, the Aussies do have a very good reputation through all the Wars as being tenacious.

You are correct, they are actually SASR:tongue0011:
My Bad. (Left the R off the end there old chap)

How do you know the exact numbers, I was referring to an article
I read relating to Iraq/Afghanistan, however its more likely the
combined numbers of normal troops and SASR. But in all seriousness,
how would you know the exact numbers, I thought that was top
secret shit ?? I know of certain operations which cite hundreds,
so Im curious where you glean your intel you sneaky war man !! lol

[Seshmeister]

You won't have 1000 elite SAS troops.

The UK who your guys are modeled on only has 240 regular plus reserves.

[Seshmeister]

Looks like there are 180 SASR.

This is a hell of a rambling thread...

[Panamark]

Got to admit I dont study up on troop numbers, but I have read greater numbers
than what you are saying in the general press, even just in peacekeeping roles
in Timor etc. I did a quick search on SASR and I read 3 different sets of numbers.
I always believed (perhaps Im ignorant here) that the elite troops numbers
were closely held secrets ?

Anyway, my Grandfather rocked and thats all I really care about ! lol

I think I will turn off Ramble mode now !!:tongue0011:

[Nickdfresh]

It's all part of the game though isn't it?

Have you ever met a nationality who said "Our troops are shit. They are completely crap I don't know why they bother..."?

True enough. But I think for the most part, it tended to be the Aussies that were typically thought to have fought harder than most in the Desert War and they tended to have a notorious reputation with the Germans. The Aussies also fought well at Singapore while much of the British Army crumbled there. And in Vietnam, they were thought to be generally more professional and competent than the average US infantry unit (less drugs, better and more beer maybe?).

I know General Douglas MacArthur tended to be dismissive of them and the feeling was mutual. The Australians did have some problems in New Guinea initially, but those were often second rate militia and lessor trained soldiers. I do recall the "rabbit run" incident when some fucking dolt of an Australian general arrived there and gave his intro speech to soldiers that had been through months of hard fighting with the Japanese. He insulted them by saying something to the effect that, "real soldiers stand and fight and don't run like rabbits." His formations standing at attention took offense at their perception of being called cowards despite dealing with a fanatical, often larger Japanese force and nearly rioted and had to be brought under control by their officers and NCOs. But I heard when this prick went to field hospitals to visit the wounded, many of the convalescing would nibble on lettuce and carrots and wiggle their noses when talking to him, a few even had the balls to hop around rather than march in his view...

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokoda_Track_campaign

[Dan]

Plus half the Kiwis would be Scots too...

There Were Alot of German's Here in New Zealand During Both Wars,Who Fought For New Zealand.

[Dan]

Sounds Like Fun.:D

To join the NZSAS, NZ Army, Navy, or Air Force personnel must successfully pass a fifteen-day (5 days pre-selection, 10 days selection) selection course held in Waiouru. Selection as it is known to service people is described to the Weekend Herald by a participant as "mental and physical torture".

Among the exercises is the notorious 'Exercise Von Tempsky' which is executed on the fifth day of selection course. Von Tempsky consists of 24 hours of marching in either a swamp or sand dunes while carrying rifles and alternately one or two 20-litre jerrycans and a 35 kg alice pack. The final exercise is a 60-kilometre endurance march, carrying a 35 kg pack, web gear and rifle to be completed in under 20 hours.

Officers undergo an additional 2 days of selection to test for the their suitability to lead NZSAS soldiers.

Even if candidates make it through the selection course, they must pass psychological, medical and academic tests (plus others) to be chosen for the nine-month SAS training course.

Candidates do not receive the coveted SAS beret and Corps belt, until they have successfully completed the 9 month basic cycle of training.

[Panamark]

True enough. But I think for the most part, it tended to be the Aussies that were typically thought to have fought harder than most in the Desert War and they tended to have a notorious reputation with the Germans. The Aussies also fought well at Singapore while much of the British Army crumbled there. And in Vietnam, they were thought to be generally more professional and competent than the average US infantry unit (less drugs, better and more beer maybe?).

I know General Douglas MacArthur tended to be dismissive of them and the feeling was mutual. The Australians did have some problems in New Guinea initially, but those were often second rate militia and lessor trained soldiers. I do recall the "rabbit run" incident when some fucking dolt of an Australian general arrived there and gave his intro speech to soldiers that had been through months of hard fighting with the Japanese. He insulted them by saying something to the effect that, "real soldiers stand and fight and don't run like rabbits." His formations standing at attention took offense at their perception of being called cowards despite dealing with a fanatical, often larger Japanese force and nearly rioted and had to be brought under control by their officers and NCOs. But I heard when this prick went to field hospitals to visit the wounded, many of the convalescing would nibble on lettuce and carrots and wiggle their noses when talking to him, a few even had the balls to hop around rather than march in his view...

More info here: Kokoda Track campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Onya Nick !

I had heard this story too, way too many beers ago. Thanks for the
recollection. Your desciption of New Guinea fits in with what my Grandfather
went through. I was surprised at how often they would put him out on
his own. His most scary moment was walking around alone in really tall
bamboo and being shot at, and having no idea how many were around him,
or where they were. He reckons he just kept shooting as fast as he good in
random directions and eventually the bullets coming his way stopped. He
reckons afterwards it was probably a single Japanese soldier and
he just got lucky with one of his random return shots.