Bin Laden a Fail

[yah]

Blow all of those slimy al-Qaidas up....that's the solution!!!
finding them seems to be the problem....

[Nickdfresh]

Next time you can advise him on how to do it better. I'd say he did alright. btw - none of the markets require a building on Wall St. to continue trading.

That may be true, but he would have killed less FDNY and more CEOs...

And the markets continued on without the Twin Towers, and the economic damage was limited to mainly a single, sharp drop in the Dow...

Short lived? How is the economy 8 year later?

Read my previous post, or are you pretending it doesn't exist. Or maybe you can explain how al Qaida is responsible for the Housing Bubble, the credit crunch, the corporate ethics crisis, and the collapse of the auto industry...

Fear mongering based on what? What was the catalyst for all of it? If you listen to bin Laden, it was what he expected. It certainly wasn't unforeseeable that the country would curtail freedoms, spend trillions on war, go into debt. Lots of people predicted it, and so did he.

It was based on an administration of assholes that decided, in the words of fmr. Anti-terror Tsar Richard Clarke parenthetically, to use a national tragedy to further their Freedum Fries® agenda and pre-existing plans© to invade Iraq...

And Bin Laden was more interested in a mass uprising of Muslims in the middle east against the West, spurned on by a single act of mass violence....

[Blackflag]

That may be true, but he would have killed less FDNY and more CEOs...

I'm pretty sure the CEO's don't work on Wall St., but if you just want to pound your fist that you'd rather bin Laden kill one american versus another, sure, have at it...

And the markets continued on without the Twin Towers, and the economic damage was limited to mainly a single, sharp drop in the Dow...

No, that's wrong. I mean, is that how you measure economic damage? The Dow?

Read my previous post, or are you pretending it doesn't exist. Or maybe you can explain how al Qaida is responsible for the Housing Bubble, the credit crunch, the corporate ethics crisis, and the collapse of the auto industry...

I would argue that everything was accelerated by the war spending and deficit spending. Which are a result of 9/11.

It was based on an administration of assholes that decided, in the words of fmr. Anti-terror Tsar Richard Clarke parenthetically, to use a national tragedy to further their Freedum Fries® agenda and pre-existing plans© to invade Iraq...

And none of that was unforeseeable. You could say it was a coincidence that this all happened after 9/11. Or you could believe it when he said that that was his design - he knew what the government's reaction was going to be. Knowing Bush and Cheney, and all those chicken hawks...did it really take a genius to figure out what was going to happen if you gave them a catalyst? Hard to say.

And Bin Laden was more interested in a mass uprising of Muslims in the middle east against the West, spurned on by a single act of mass violence....

Yeah, because there's a lot they can do to the U.S. on the other side of the planet. They can't even uprise against their own countries, let alone the West.

[Nickdfresh]

I'm pretty sure the CEO's don't work on Wall St., but if you just want to pound your fist that you'd rather bin Laden kill one american versus another, sure, have at it...

He didn't just kill Americans. And the point is that there are many more Americans that did more collective damage to the economy than 9/11 did...

No, that's wrong. I mean, is that how you measure economic damage? The Dow?

You tell me. You're the one contending that some singular cause-and-effect was at work with no explanation or actual evidence offered...

I would argue that everything was accelerated by the war spending and deficit spending. Which are a result of 9/11.

That "result" of 9/11 was the reaction of those in power to it. Was Bin Laden making US foreign policy decisions or something?

And none of that was unforeseeable. You could say it was a coincidence that this all happened after 9/11. Or you could believe it when he said that that was his design - he knew what the government's reaction was going to be. Knowing Bush and Cheney, and all those chicken hawks...did it really take a genius to figure out what was going to happen if you gave them a catalyst? Hard to say.

He clearly didn't expect the result or al Qaida, assuming they have this sort of hyper-competence that you seem to agree with the Neo Cons on BTW, would have planned follow on attacks other than conning some mentally ill douchebag to light his shoe bombs on a French airliner.

The only way al Qaida comes close to achieving what you say they did was with successive, periodic terror attacks in waves after 9/11. These never materialized because they got lucky and never were really all that powerful or competent...

Yeah, because there's a lot they can do to the U.S. on the other side of the planet. They can't even uprise against their own countries, let alone the West.

Their overall premise is to seize the world's oil supply and drive up prices to enrich the Middle Eastern peoples, under their regime of course. And it's interesting, you give Osama a degree of insightful omnipotence in one statement, then castigate him as ineffective on the other...

[Blackflag]

All I'm saying is that, at the time, bin Laden was saying in his videos was that his plan was to bring down the U.S. economy. At the time, people said, 'bullshit - the dow already rebounded.'

Yet, here we are, 8 years later, and the economy is fucked. You can either say he got lucky, and there's no way he could have predicted this. Or you could say he was actually sly enough to know that if he rattled Bush jr.'s cage, that the resulting war and spending would do far more damage than the cost of three buildings.

As I said, it's hard to say. But it's certainly not as simple as saying bin Laden "failed."

[standin]

No matter if it was to accomplish, insurance fraud, economic hit, "look at me I am scary" dance, or a half-assed plan that went freakish well, any ninny can use the elusive Laden as a "had to be him" cover.

Dead, alive, or imaginary the script calls for Laden to be the star of a funeral. Propagate that, see who comes next and the extent of their influence as a cult guidance. Cults don't usually go away, but they can be managed for the best aspects of the cult.

[GAR]

I don't believe in Bin Laden, but I do believe the Wahabi Islamism that invented him is still around - fuck yeah - 3 trillion dollars flushed chasing sand in the wind.

Where the fuck is Bin Laden? Why haven't we wiretapped his family.. plundered their assets, fucked with Saudi Arabia some more?

I don't get it. I thought the one good thing about a different party in control of the government would be no allegiances preventing Bin Laden capture, as outlined in many many websites showing Bush business dealings

[ZahZoo]

All I'm saying is that, at the time, bin Laden was saying in his videos was that his plan was to bring down the U.S. economy. At the time, people said, 'bullshit - the dow already rebounded.'

Yet, here we are, 8 years later, and the economy is fucked. You can either say he got lucky, and there's no way he could have predicted this. Or you could say he was actually sly enough to know that if he rattled Bush jr.'s cage, that the resulting war and spending would do far more damage than the cost of three buildings.

As I said, it's hard to say. But it's certainly not as simple as saying bin Laden "failed."

Today's economic issues have nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. Indirectly you could grasp at straws and draw dotted lines.

But the fanatics that pulled this off were attacking the predominate symbol of Western Capitalism. That's a key point and major thing with the Islamic Idiots... they're big on symbolism, short on effect and clearly short on long term strategic thinking.

The bottom line on this thread and the original article is dead on... Bin Laden and gang thought that by making a big bang, the people they sought to line up and join them in this fight would be falling all over themselves to take on the evil imperialists. Didn't happen...

Now they've got Democracy, western values, culture and thinking camped right in the heart of the territory Al Qaeda sought to unite in their fight.

Rather than grow Islamic rule globally... they got just the opposite in spades on the home front.

That is clearly a failure... back-fired on them is more like it.