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  • Fuct Jup
    Head Fluffer
    • Nov 2006
    • 236

    #31
    What the Pelosi Health-Care Bill Really Says

    What the government will require you to do:
    Sec. 202 (p. 91-92) of the bill requires you to enroll in a "qualified plan." If you get your insurance at work, your employer will have a "grace period" to switch you to a "qualified plan," meaning a plan designed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If you buy your own insurance, there's no grace period.

    Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.

    Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the "qualified plan" is not yet designed, it will be of the "one size fits all" variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same.

    Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

    Sec. 1302 (pp. 672-692) moves Medicare from a fee-for-service payment system, in which patients choose which doctors to see and doctors are paid for each service they provide, toward what's called a "medical home."

    Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients.

    Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20% of seniors).

    Betsy McCaughey: What the Pelosi Health Care Bill Really Says - WSJ.com
    Anything left in that bottle?

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    • Big Train
      Full Member Status

      • Apr 2004
      • 4013

      #32
      Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

      Further incentive to be above board, when the alternative (to continue to use free medical services) is so much worse. Jeez...

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49563

        #33
        Why wouldn't illegal immigrants be exempt? They cannot get benefits to begin with and will not be eligible for the proposed "Gov't Option."

        And how else would the gov't verify that everyone is in a plan? Why shouldn't everyone be in a plan when the rates decrease as they will?

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59558

          #34

          Uh.... no.

          I may be pissed at the fake "Democrats", but I'm not taking that empty headed twat's word for anything.

          If she was standing in the middle of the Arizona Desert and told me the sky was blue, I'd wear a raincoat.

          Seriously, have you ever SEEN this dumb bitch talk?

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          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • lesfunk
            Full Member Status

            • Jan 2004
            • 3583

            #35
            So have we concluded that this bill disappoints both Righties and Lefties alike?
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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 59558

              #36
              Yeah, pretty much
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Seshmeister
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Oct 2003
                • 35750

                #37
                At least you know for sure now who runs the country.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49563

                  #38
                  An excellent Frontline I began watching last night...

                  Sick Around the World. about other capitalist democracies health care systems...

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                  • hideyoursheep
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 6351

                    #39
                    Wake me when the "qualified plan" is designed...until then, I refuse to panic.

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