Court Hears Second Amendment Debate On City Ban

[LoungeMachine]

And the 30 number is wrong. If you're going to argue statistics, you have to at least make sure they're in the ballpark.

Like when you argued that most people were against the Patriot Act, but couldnt find a poll backing your position?



Homicides by gun


# 8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people

# 20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people

[kwame k]

I actually think you're struck on something there, Bin...

I think many gun owners are like the guys with jacked up trucks, they're overcompensating for other "shortages"

Ammo Envy if you will....

I could see that but.....as far as the people who hunt.....you're not going to use a fully auto gun or an elephant gun to kill a deer. You're just wasting good venison. You're not going to use double ought buckshot to hunt Pheasant, either. So unless you're a complete fool, you use the proper caliber gun for whatever you're hunting.

I see no reason for people to have assault type weapons....if you're into collecting and target shooting you can get a special permit for fully automatic weapons but it's costly and an extensive process, as it should be.

Other than that and I don't care about the argument that the assault weapons you can buy now are semi-automatic....converting them is fucking simple and if you want even a semi-automatic you should have to get a special permit.

[Blackflag]

Like when you argued that most people were against the Patriot Act, but couldnt find a poll backing your position?

Oh, you really expected me to go read a newspaper for you and report back? I thought that was a joke. Type "patriot act poll" into google.

Homicides by gun


# 8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people

# 20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people

Well, we're getting closer, because that's a factor of 5:1, rather than the factor of 1000:1 that you first posted. Just a slight error on your part. (Hell, there's probably a 5:1 difference between D.C. and Nebraska, so I'm not even sure what your point is anymore.)

But you still get a big fail, because you didn't cite any source for your sweet contradictory statistic. Let me guess...Wiki again, lounge?

[LoungeMachine]

pot? meet kettle.



I can be just as lazy as you if I choose. I'm not going out of my way for you, Yakima. King of the 3 word review.

[Blackflag]

Do you see me quoting statistics, genius? Saying "look it up" and just plain making it up are two different things.

Tell us where your '30 deaths in Canada' statistic came from. Right out of your ass.


I know you'd like to compare yourself to me. I understand that. But you really can't. Sorry.

[LoungeMachine]

Well, we're getting closer, because that's a factor of 5:1, :

50 :1

[Blackflag]

And, by your silence, I'm going to assume Wiki.

[Blackflag]

50 :1

.027 / .005 = 5

[LoungeMachine]

And, by your silence, I'm going to assume Wiki.

assume whatever you want, Yakima :D

Google Gun Homicides Canada

[LoungeMachine]

.027 / .005 = 5

You're right, read that wrong.

[Blackflag]

Actually, I did. I found 4:1.

Bow down before your Wiki gods, dumbass.

[Blackflag]

I don't know what the fuck to say here other than, "I pity the foo'."

I got shit to do.

[LoungeMachine]

Gee, must be because Canada has 1/10th the poluation, eh?

[LoungeMachine]

I don't know what the fuck to say here other than, "I pity the foo'."

I got shit to do.

In Yakima?

unlikely, but go pretend....

[chefcraig]

What I'm going to relate here needs no stats to back it up, as the research is based purely upon my own personal experience. In 1992, I was beaten and robbed at gunpoint by a trio of hoods. The weapon these creeps used was roughly the size of Dirty Harry's 44 Magnum, and was purchased the night before the planned robbery at a park in South Miami. The cost of this weapon (including ammunition) was a nifty $19. One week previously, these same bastards made a similar purchase, using a weapon to murder an off duty policeman who was trying to earn some extra cash for his family by guarding a bank overnight in North Miami. I'm alive only because these guys chose to drive the van they'd thrown me into the wrong way down a one way street, right in front of two City of Miami policemen who promptly gave chase.

The long and short of it is, no amount of gun control legislation is going to get the guns already out there off of the street. Gun manufactures could all go out of business tomorrow, and there would still be plenty of weapons to go around, be they legally registered or not. People that say that guns aren't the issue, it's the people using them are only half correct. With so many guns already in existence, the law of probability allows for bad things to happen. So getting rid of the guns is the only solution. The problem is that at this point, it's a damned near impossible task to fulfill, and is hopelessly unrealistic as well.