(BCE appointed) Voting official seeks terrorism guidelines

[Ally_Kat]

Cops are always assigned to polling places and it not uncommon to find 3 or more in a group at one polling place at a time. I believe what he's talking about in increasing security is that those cops who work election day shifts -- if you notice, their uniforms are always a lil too tight for them and they are always tired. Normally they are guys who just came off a shift and/or detectives looking to make a lil side money. The most I've had in a polling place at one time was 4 cops and 3 of them fell asleep while the one read a newspaper. That's not really secure.

Felons are not allowed to vote and we do take out names in the area of caution. Name and birthday have to match. In the case of being mistaken as a felon, you can go to your board of elections office and see the judge that is in house for election day. You state your case and if you can prove you are not that felon (usually by SS#'s that are not put into books the pollworkers get), you get a court order and you can go back and vote.


And because of one part you are saying you completely disapprove of coming up with a plan in case something should happen? We desperately need an election emergency plan and I don't care which side comes up with it. It doesn't take a mad scientist to come up with this. You just need to decide what to do in different levels of severity, such as closing off just a few EDs to a bunch of ADs, to closing the state of a few states, or post-poning nationwide. And then should you lock and tally or wipe the slate clean for whenever the elections are rescheduled. How long should the resheduled day be from the original day. What to do with affidavit ballots and when, if necessary, to extend their deadline to. Just these little things that I'm sure voters don't think of. Then there's closing the polling site and securing rhe election documents. I don't give a shit who comes up with it, Republican, Democrat, whatever, as long as they understand all the little guidelines and come up with something that is clear cut and can be applied easily in case of emergency.

Trust me, we freaked without a plan. It was a complete mess. We were missing documents form this place and that place, voter books went missing, you name it. And this was just Queens. I'm not even going into Manhattan.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Cops are always assigned to polling places and it not uncommon to find 3 or more in a group at one polling place at a time. I believe what he's talking about in increasing security is that those cops who work election day shifts -- if you notice, their uniforms are always a lil too tight for them and they are always tired. Normally they are guys who just came off a shift and/or detectives looking to make a lil side money. The most I've had in a polling place at one time was 4 cops and 3 of them fell asleep while the one read a newspaper. That's not really secure.

Felons are not allowed to vote and we do take out names in the area of caution. Name and birthday have to match. In the case of being mistaken as a felon, you can go to your board of elections office and see the judge that is in house for election day. You state your case and if you can prove you are not that felon (usually by SS#'s that are not put into books the pollworkers get), you get a court order and you can go back and vote.

Oh nice. Yeah, that may be how it's SUPPOSED to work, but that is not how it worked at all. You want it in a nutshell? Go to the great website
www.toostupidtobepresident.com and click on the Grinch parody "How the Bush stole the election" if you really want it all spelled out for you. Since it seems (based on your opinions about Bush) that you can't seem to pay attention while reseaching your 'facts' about the Bush campaign and their exploits, maybe it will help to see this factual yet entertaining little expose about it. There are many other interesting little tidbits there, but that one is probably the most well-done...

I highly recommend it.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Oh nice. Yeah, that may be how it's SUPPOSED to work, but that is not how it worked at all. You want it in a nutshell? Go to the great website
www.toostupidtobepresident.com and click on the Grinch parody "How the Bush stole the election" if you really want it all spelled out for you. Since it seems (based on your opinions about Bush) that you can't seem to pay attention while reseaching your 'facts' about the Bush campaign and their exploits, maybe it will help to see this factual yet entertaining little expose about it. There are many other interesting little tidbits there, but that one is probably the most well-done...

I highly recommend it.

Dude, stop being a political ass and trying to make me look like some retarded conservative for a second. I'm not paying attention while I'm researching facts? Keeyth, stop for a second and listen to me --

I work for the fucking Board of Elections.

You know, the people that do the voting thingies in november? I've been working there since I'm 14. And I've gotten to the point where all the pollworkers know me even though I'm not teaching their classes we make them take so that they can work anymore. I walk into any polling place in Queens and they're all smiles talking about what went on and how they solved problems that day.

I think I know a little about election law and election procedure. I was telling you what we do with the felons in the voting system and what can be done if your name is taking off. I told you what is common-place with the cops and how easy is it to break a law in front of them. I had union leaders going in with voters one year RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COPS! I almost had a heartattack.

I was not saying anything about what Bush did or did not do on election day 2000. Tell me where in my post I was talking about that. Do you read every political post by known conservatives with the assumption that we're telling you you're wrong andthat we're sucking Bush's cock?

And then I went into the basic stuff that this plan is going to help us, the people who make the elections work, with when there is an emergency so that we can carry out the election successfully. Trust me, if there's something retarded and completely unuseful, even possibly quite hindering, I'll be the first one to say WTF and explain/go on a rant on how do they think that'll help and explain the situations around it.


Jesus Christ. I don't research stuff about the voting process, I live it.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Dude, stop being a political ass and trying to make me look like some retarded conservative for a second. I'm not paying attention while I'm researching facts? Keeyth, stop for a second and listen to me --

I work for the fucking Board of Elections.

You know, the people that do the voting thingies in november? I've been working there since I'm 14. And I've gotten to the point where all the pollworkers know me even though I'm not teaching their classes we make them take so that they can work anymore. I walk into any polling place in Queens and they're all smiles talking about what went on and how they solved problems that day.

I think I know a little about election law and election procedure. I was telling you what we do with the felons in the voting system and what can be done if your name is taking off. I told you what is common-place with the cops and how easy is it to break a law in front of them. I had union leaders going in with voters one year RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COPS! I almost had a heartattack.

I was not saying anything about what Bush did or did not do on election day 2000. Tell me where in my post I was talking about that. Do you read every political post by known conservatives with the assumption that we're telling you you're wrong andthat we're sucking Bush's cock?

And then I went into the basic stuff that this plan is going to help us, the people who make the elections work, with when there is an emergency so that we can carry out the election successfully. Trust me, if there's something retarded and completely unuseful, even possibly quite hindering, I'll be the first one to say WTF and explain/go on a rant on how do they think that'll help and explain the situations around it.


Jesus Christ. I don't research stuff about the voting process, I live it.

Two things:

1.) How much research have you done into what happened in Florida in 2000, and what do you think about THAT voting process???

and

2.) Would it surprize you to learn that my wife works for the Repulican National Convention, (bet that one threw ya!) :D
and that I know a lot about how the voting process is circumvented???

or are you saying that is not possible because you're on the job??

[Ally_Kat]

1) Trust me when I say the state boards have been lectured time and time again each election. Saying it was a mess would be an understatement

2) Tell me why if you knew I was posting about the standard procedure why you insulted me that I was researching and doing a crappy job at that, too.


What is she working at the Convention as? I'll see her there.

[diamondD]

I think that after reading FORD's comments on a daily basis every day since that election, most of us are well versed on the conspiracy theories that makes liberals feel better about losing the election.

But after proving every one of them wrong over and over, most of us are just ready for the 2004 election discussions and can't wait to hear the new tin foil beanie explanations this November.

[FORD]

Florida wasn't conspiracy theory. It was proven conspiracy fact. The only part still unproven is exactly how thousands of unsigned ballots showed up from overseas only days after Bush Sr left the country. And there a conspiracy isn't even neccessary. The ballots did not meet the legal standards.

[diamondD]

Apparantly, the people who actually know the law, disagree with you. I've said it over and over, if Gore had a legal standing, he would have kept trying. He gave up because he knew he didn't have a chance. The only outrage is from the far left, and it would have been the far right if it was reversed. But for the centrists, it's old news and to be still whining about it in every post just shows that some people can't move on because there's nothing to look forward to. It's all they have.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
Apparantly, the people who actually know the law, disagree with you.

You mean the Felonious Florida Five judges, all of whom were appointed by the BCE? Yeah, of course they never had any alterior motive


I've said it over and over, if Gore had a legal standing, he would have kept trying. He gave up because he knew he didn't have a chance.

It's a little difficult to appeal the Supreme Court. Which is why this kind of corruption is especially disgusting.


The only outrage is from the far left, and it would have been the far right if it was reversed.

The staged scene in Miami certainly proved that.


But for the centrists, it's old news and to be still whining about it in every post just shows that some people can't move on because there's nothing to look forward to. It's all they have.

Some of these so called "centrists" are neocon moles who are trying to destroy the Democratic party from within. These are the idiots responsibile for the complete lack of spine shown by Congressional Democrats from the Florida coup right up until the primary season when they realized people were listening to Howard Dean.

But of course, he was too threatening to their appeasement agenda, so they couldn't have that. And the rest is sad sickening fucking history

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Well for starters...

"Soaries also said he wants to know what federal officials are doing to increase security on Election Day. He said security officials must take care not to allow heightened security measures to intimidate minority voters, but that local and state election officials he's talked to have not been told what measures to expect."

What a load of bullshit. Not to intimidate? You mean PRECISELY to intimidate!!
That is exactly what they did in the 2000 election to keep Blacks from voting in Florida. They had 3 to 4 cops sit outside every polling location to hassle every black person who walked up to vote. REAL security huh?
Look up Database Technologies, and their relation to Kathleen Harris and the Bush Campaign. THAT is how they truly stole the election. If anyone even had the same NAME or Birth date as a known felon, they were denied the right to vote. Simple as that.

You've believed the same old stories all the other liberal weinies have iterated in the past. They are all rather old and dated and without absolutely any PROOF. Get some actual FACTS.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You've believed the same old stories all the other liberal weinies have iterated in the past. They are all rather old and dated and without absolutely any PROOF. Get some actual FACTS.

See FORD's post two spaces up.... ...and have another drink.. ...on me.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
1) Trust me when I say the state boards have been lectured time and time again each election. Saying it was a mess would be an understatement

2) Tell me why if you knew I was posting about the standard procedure why you insulted me that I was researching and doing a crappy job at that, too.


What is she working at the Convention as? I'll see her there.

O.K., I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you. It's just an assumption I made based upon your opinion which is different than mine, and that is wrong of me.

As for the wife, (as it would be with you I believe, if we had an actual sit down chat and I could go into the facts in documented detail) I have shown her the error of her ways in supporting the Bush Republican party, and she is no longer supporting him, due to her convictions based upon the evidence that his is more of a criminal syndicate rather than a political party.

On a lighter note, I found out this year that I am actually still a registered Republican from back in the Reagan era, though I have not been voting that way, and I plan on remedying that this year. But that again just shows more of the innaccuracy in some of the voting and registering processes in my opinion.

[Ally_Kat]

This

Originally posted by Keeyth

2.) Would it surprize you to learn that my wife works for the Repulican National Convention, (bet that one threw ya!) :D
and that I know a lot about how the voting process is circumvented???

or are you saying that is not possible because you're on the job??

and then this

Originally posted by Keeyth
On a lighter note, I found out this year that I am actually still a registered Republican from back in the Reagan era, though I have not been voting that way, and I plan on remedying that this year. But that again just shows more of the innaccuracy in some of the voting and registering processes in my opinion.

don't add up. Surely if you knew how the voting process works, you could re-read and see why. For those that don't, and because I'm bored, I'll type...

How does still being registered a Republican even though you haven't been voting Republican show inaccuracy in the voting and voter registration process? You pick what party you want to be affiliated with when you register. You don't need to be affiliated with a certain party to vote for that party. The only time party comes into play with elections is when there's a primary and it isn't an open on. (that's what we call primaries where either party can vote in it, even if the parties don't match. I don't know what non-board people call it seeing how NYC deals only with closed. Just wanted to clarifiy in case some of you didn't know wtf I was talking about)

Thus, pumpkin pie, if you registered as a Republican and then started voting, we'll say Democrat, it wouldn't make a change in your registration at all. The Board of Elections does not keep a tally of what political party you vote for and we do not change your political affiliation due to what party you continually vote for. If you wish to change your political party, it is up to you to re-fill out a registration card and mark one of the lil boxes that are marked change of address, name change, or political party change.

Law differs by state, but it usually goes that any changes for political affiliation only goes into effect AFTER the November election. This is to help prevent people from switching parties to go vote in closed primaries and then switch back.

Now, reguardless that some (if not all -- it's been a while for me and Cali elections, plus technological advances happen fast) Cali counties use computer voting, you still need to sign the voter roll book. That book has your general election information in it, which includes your party affiliation. From your personality, I find it hard to swallow that you don't glance over your general info before you sign it. If you did, you would have noticed that you were still registered as a Republican.

Now, if you had made the change beforehand, which I am led to not believe since you didn't mention it in your post, then a simple call to the board asking, "what's the hold up" should do. Altho, they might ask you to fill out another card. If Cali does voter id cards (some states are changing this, like NY. My generation of voters didn't get one) you should get that in the mail about 3 weeks afterwards with your new political affiliation on it.

Therefore, it shows nothing about inaccuracy in the voting and voter registration process because you are still registered republican and have been voting otherwise.

[Big Train]

Diamond D, I agree one thousand percent. From some of the comments I have read here, "to initmidate minority voters", "bushs friends at the energy co. I wouldn't be suprised", sounds to me more like lack of faith in Mr. Kerry's ability to win this election. As I have read in other threads, it's not cause he is the best, but that he is electable. Basketball season isn't to far off, got to pratice that backpedaling.....

"Busheep" OUT!!!

[Ally_Kat]

bump cuz pumpkin pie is back and hasn't seen this yet