House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

[LoungeMachine]

Under the current HCR Bill it will.

I find funding abortions for stupid women without any knowledge of birth control as revolting as you having your money going to "illegal wars."

So do you opt-out of your private insurance company?

Odds are they cover abortion



hypocrite

[FORD]

The end game in this whole deal is government run single payer.

I wish. Unfortunately, it's going in entirely the opposite direction.

If the government is in charge of my health care, runs my bank, runs my car company, it is a socialist government.

Keep in mind that government is supposed to be by the people, of the people, and for the people. This country would probably run much better if some things WERE socialized, i.e. owned collectively by the American people.

Look at the things that are "socialized". Such as the police and fire departments. If your local fire department was privately owned, say by Halliburton or Blackwater, odds are they would operate just as the current US health care system does. Your house is burning down? Too goddamn bad because the rich guy across town, well his cat got stuck in a tree, and we must have priorities, ya know.

Health care should be socialized. So should infrastructure. I mentioned returning to Eisenhower's tax rates on the rich earlier. You know what those tax rates did for this country? Rural electrification & indoor plumbing, and under Ike himself, the Interstate Highway system. And if you want to count this as a good thing, all those missiles to scare the Commies away, because back then they weren't trying to create massive deficits.

Car companies should NOT be socialized, nor should any industry which actually makes something, with the exception of the Defense industry, because its the only way to take the greed and the criminal fraud out of it. It was necessary to save General Motors, because so few industries actually make anything anymore, and losing more American jobs wouldn't help anybody. But they should return to private ownership as soon as possible.

As far as banks go, stick with local banks, or credit unions, and fuck criminal organizations like Chase, SaudiBank or Bank of Ripping Off America. Oh, and abolish the fucking "Federal Reserve" (which is neither)

[Seshmeister]

So do you opt-out of your private insurance company?

Odds are they cover abortion

His mother's didn't...

[Unchainme]

So, I'm curious, do any of the people who lean towards the left here think that there is a place for private insurance companies?

And I'm not saying that they should remain in their current form, I'm saying with more laws passed that protect the consumer.

I still think that allowing the companies to compete against each other across state lines, mixed in with a possible expanded Medicare that can cover you when you're either poor or disabled should be the way to go.

[FORD]

So, I'm curious, do any of the people who lean towards the left here think that there is a place for private insurance companies?

And I'm not saying that they should remain in their current form, I'm saying with more laws passed that protect the consumer.

I still think that allowing the companies to compete against each other across state lines, mixed in with a possible expanded Medicare that can cover you when you're either poor or disabled should be the way to go.

Switzerland allows private insurance companies. However, they are mandated by law to be non-profit entities, and are very tightly regulated.

If insurance companies were like that here, a private system wouldn't be too bad. Unfortunately, that would require a whole lot of legislation, and in order to get that, you would have to have a whole new Senate and all the lobbyists would need to be dead, or in prison. It would be easier to switch over to single payer than to do that.

[Seshmeister]

I'm not aware of any Western countries that don't still have some sort of a private sector with insurance. Deliberately ignoring that is one of the big lies being put out there by the corporations and right but they have to because it invalidates most of their arguments.

Everywhere apart from maybe Cuba has various hybrids of public and private, even the UK is 10% private. Many systems give tax breaks to people who opt out of the public system.

[Seshmeister]

If insurance companies were like that here, a private system wouldn't be too bad. Unfortunately, that would require a whole lot of legislation,

Very true and you would end up with far more bureacracy trying to regulate them than just having the government run it directly.

[Kristy]

I find funding abortions for stupid women without any knowledge of birth control as revolting as you having your money going to "illegal wars."

Well then, what about the "smart women"? Where do you draw the line on this, asshole? That women who have knowledge of birth control never get pregnant? That "smart women" may never develop health complications associated with pregnancy that may require an abortion? Fuck you and your whole fucking Neanderthal hairy knuckle-dragging post that somehow a prick such as yourself with way to much time on his hands needs to feel victimized if this Bill passes. What's revolting around here is your asinine ignorance.

[LoungeMachine]

What's revolting around here is your asinine ignorance.

Welcome to our world.....

[kwame k]

109th Republican congress used this same tactic 36 times.

Democrats have done this 46 times and there were some major issues that both parties used this on.

It just symptomatic of how partisan congress has become and how nothing can get done unless the majority uses bullying tactics like this.

The one obvious point that is overlooked is congress will still have a vote on this.

[kwame k]

109th Republican congress used this same tactic 36 times.

Democrats have done this 46 times and there were some major issues that both parties used this on.

It just symptomatic of how partisan Washington has become and how nothing can get done unless the majority uses bullying tactics like this.

The one obvious point that is overlooked is congress will still have a vote on this.

[SilvioDante]

First off, I don't watch Fox News, I have a mind of my own. I find Fox and CNN and MSNBC more about ratings and money than information.

Second, I form my opinions on my own research and my knowledge of the health care industry. My wife is a medical biller and I know what I see. I know what private companies do and I have seen first hand the government waste in our Medicare/Medicaid system. HIPPA laws prevent me from discussing most of them...

Third, I live in a state that almost went bankrupt because of government run health care (Tenncare). I would not like to relive it on a national level(although I am sure the Chinese would love to keep funding our government).

Fourth, I just watched my father and my wife's grandmother die of cancer. My father had private insurance and my wife's grandmother had Medicaid. I know which one I want now..

Everything I said earlier was true about what is or was in the bill at one time. I know now we won't know what's in it until we pass it, like Pelosi said.

I just find it hard to believe that everyone here and everyone I know hates the government, but about half want to turn their health care over to them. Ever stand in line at the DMV?

And one more thing, someone said earlier I am a fool to think we live in a republic and he was right...
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. " - Benjamin Franklin

[SilvioDante]

Oh yeah, and one more thing...

Ford, why was GM to big to go under? They made bad business decisions and signed bad union contracts and made cars no one wanted. Why should they be rewarded?

There is talk of a class action lawsuit against Toyota over the pedal problem. If it goes thru, it could possibly bankrupt the company. Will the government bail them out. I know there are Toyota plants in America, there is one in my home town.

Or do you think the GM bailout was more about buying union votes and Toyota is screwed because they are non-union...

[ELVIS]

Will this new mandatory health insurance cover my personal trainer and dietitian expenses ??

[Sgt Schultz]

What..?? Leftist Commie Libs breaking the rules when they don't get their way? I am shocked sir, SHOCKED!