webster's defines illegal as..

[sadaist]

Then it sounds like California's shitty DUI checkpoints, and their fireworks checkpoints - and I don't like any of them.

No probable cause = leave me the fuck alone.

Yeah. Funny thing, one night my girlfriend & I were coming north a few miles before the checkpoint. Some other driver was loaded out of his mind. Swerving, almost went off the road several times, & nearly took out a bunch of other drivers. We called 911. We stayed behind him and hit the checkpoint before the CHP got there. Girlfriend got out & ran up the line of cars screaming "Don't Let Him Through!!!". They saw how sauced he was & made him wait in his car in secondary for at least 45 minutes until CHP arrived to test him. We had to wait too & give statements. He was arrested & no one was hurt. But this checkpoint & it's employees couldn't do shit about it. Real cops had to be summoned.

And this law passed in AZ seems nothing new, in fact mirroring current Federal laws. It just gives the local authorities the power to enforce what the others are unable (or unwilling) to do.

People are up in arms protesting the enforcement and enforcers of the federal law. Their anger is misdirected. Change the law, don't complain about the enforcement of it.

[Blackflag]

I hope you're not trying to sell me on DUI checkpoints.

[FORD]

Let's have some common fucking sense solutions (which the Brewer/Arpaio/Pearce/Hitler plan is NOT)...

1) Arrest the employers who hire undocumented aliens. Nobody is going to come here looking for work, if there isn't any to find.

2) Legalize all drugs. Treat addiction as a health problem, not a criminal problem (subject for another thread) and put the smugglers out of business for good. Nobody really likes that Mexican dirt weed anyway.

[GAR]

The Mexican Travel Bureau is advising all Mexican citizens who travel or reside in the state of Arizona to return, or leave just that state.

[Blackflag]

I'm sure Arizona is really upset about that.

[jhale667]

Let's have some common fucking sense solutions (which the Brewer/Arpaio/Pearce/Hitler plan is NOT)...

1) Arrest the employers who hire undocumented aliens. Nobody is going to come here looking for work, if there isn't any to find.

2) Legalize all drugs. Treat addiction as a health problem, not a criminal problem (subject for another thread) and put the smugglers out of business for good. Nobody really likes that Mexican dirt weed anyway.

That's the only way anything is ever going to change.

[GAR]

There was this guy on the news from the Latino Something-Something Council on Someshit which I care nothing about, except for the absolute falsehoods he reiterated:

"Undocumented workers do not hurt anyone."
"They are good members of the community."
"They do not cause harm or suffering, they only seek a better life"

1. They cost California alone, ten billion dollars a year in overages for the state and local public services they OVERutilize. And THAT directly harms Americans.

2. Once their anchor babies are born, they claim no knowledge of true paternity so they can get state aid, WIC, USDA, and General Relief. And THAT directly harms Americans.

3. They top the list in DUI deaths and citations because they come over the border with their culture of driving drunk, which we lost in the 70's. And THAT directly harms Americans.

4. They effort themselves to have as many children as possible so that GR household check gets additionally higher. And THAT directly harms Americans.

5. They top the list in domestic violence calls draining 911 dispatch and the city further of police because they come over the border with their culture's acceptance of wife-beating. And THAT directly harms Americans.

6. Just ten illegal families with four kids apiece will occupy over half the typical schoolbus, requiring one full additional classroom, one teacher and overtime office administration hours. And THAT directly harms Americans.

7. They top the list of long-term reciipients at local private- and church-ran foodbanks, draining emergency services intended for AMERICANS out of work or in a TEMPORARY bind. And THAT directly harms Americans.

8. They top the list of jaywalkers during rush-hour traffic, glutting your stoplight wait-times and making everyone late for work. And THAT directly harms Americans.

9. They top the list of drug possesion with intent to sell, because they're the ones bringing dope up from Mexico. And THAT directly harms Americans.

10. "Survival of the Fittest" theory applied to illegal immigration states it hurts the USA most because the brain-drain of illegal professionals and those capable enough to actually improve their country for the better, but never will once they get a foothold here in the USA even as their diluted labor wages are found acceptable to what they may earn in their native country, they just never go back home and overhaul their own countries of origin. And because illegal-hiring employers are not penalized, they pay increasingly lower wages and THAT directly harms ALL Americans!

Illegal immigration isn't about race card, but Rev. Al Sharpton is coming to Arizona Friday I believe so he can pick up that dead Racism pony and hitch his fucking pram to it for all the media to fondle..

[jhale667]

Your #8 is just retarded, but you forgot most importantly, #11 the one that impacts you most personally:

11) They take the shitty jobs that usually only uneducated American LOSERS (and ex-convicts) like YOU -GAyR - are qualified for.

[Seshmeister]

I like #6.

Did you know that just 13 families with four kids apiece will occupy over half the typical schoolbus, requiring one full additional classroom, one teacher and overtime office administration hours?

Or that just 60 families with two kids apiece will occupy one and a half typical schoolbuses, requiring three full additional classrooms, three teachers and overtime office administration hours?

I did learn that at school and stuff in counting class.

[Seshmeister]

[BigBadBrian]

I like #6.

Did you know that just 13 families with four kids apiece will occupy over half the typical schoolbus, requiring one full additional classroom, one teacher and overtime office administration hours?

Or that just 60 families with two kids apiece will occupy one and a half typical schoolbuses, requiring three full additional classrooms, three teachers and overtime office administration hours?

I did learn that at school and stuff in counting class.

We are all so proud of you for graduating "counting class" last year! Well done!!!

[FORD]

We are all so proud of you for graduating "counting class" last year! Well done!!!

Ironic that you would post in these threads with a picture of Mr. Amnesty himself, Ronald "cheap labor" Reagan.

[Seshmeister]

We are all so proud of you for graduating "counting class" last year! Well done!!!

[jhale667]

Cute how BlandBitchBrie has such (irrational, unfounded, idiotic, etc) hatred for Obama, yet his current avatar is of (besides W.) the WORST PRESIDENT EVER...

[FORD]

The Dupnik rebellion: Pima's top cop says "no" to SB 1070

Reporters: Steve Nunez and Forrest Carr

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Pima County's top lawman says he has no intention of enforcing Arizona's controversial crackdown on illegal immigration. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik calls SB 1070 "racist," "disgusting," and "unnecessary."

Speaking Tuesday morning with KGUN9's Steve Nunez, Dupnik made it clear that while he will not comply with the provisions of the new law, nor will he let illegal immigrants go free. "We're going to keep doing what we've been doing all along," Dupnik said. "We're going to stop and detain these people for the Border Patrol."

The sheriff acknowledged that this course of action could get him hauled into court. SB 1070 allows citizens to sue any law enforcement official who doesn't comply with the law. But Dupnik told Nunez that SB 1070 would force his deputies to adopt racial profiling as an enforcement tactic, which Dupnik says could also get him sued. "So we're kind of in a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. It's just a stupid law."

Dupnik had harsh words for anyone who thinks SB 1070 will not lead to racial profiling. "If I tell my people to go out and look for A, B, and C, they're going to do it. They'll find some flimsy excuse like a tail light that's not working as a basis for a stop, which is a bunch of baloney."

But if Dupnik feels the law is stupid, its sponsor, State Senator Russell Pearce of Mesa, has the same label for Dupnik. In an e-mail exchange with KGUN9 News, Pearce characterized Dupnik's comments as "the stupidest statement... someone who takes an oath to enforce the law has ever made."

Pearce insisted that SB 1070 prohibits racial profiling. He repeated a phrase he's used in the past, writing, "Illegal is a not a race, it is a crime." And he added, "I guess the 9 Sheriffs who support this bill are racist."

SB 1070 criminalizes illegal immigration. But it will be up to county attorneys to prosecute complaints. That raises an obvious question: will Pima County Attorney Barbara LaWall also refuse to comply with the law? If she joins Dupnik's rebellion, then SB 1070 would be effectively DOA in Pima County.

In answer to that question Tuesday afternoon, LaWall told KGUN9 News that it's too early to tell. LaWall said her position will depend on standards yet to be developed to determine what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" in asking someone for their papers.

SB 1070 is in fact silent on the issue of racial profiling in determining the circumstances under how and when police can stop someone and demand proof of citizenship. When she signed the immigration measure into law on Friday, Governor Jan Brewer also signed an executive order to go with the law. That order requires such standards to be drawn up and for local law enforcement officers to receive training on them. The executive order does not specify what those standards should be, and does not specifically address the issue of racial profiling. But in signing the bill and issuing the order, Brewer stated that she is determined to prevent racial discrimination.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Paul Senseman, spokesman for Governor Jan Brewer, sent KGUN9 this statement in response to a query about Dupnik's stance: "Since the new Arizona law simply regulates immigration the same way that federal law and federal authorities currently regulate, it seems misguided to be angry or react negatively about this bill. Racial profiling is specifically written in the state law to be illegal. No additional documents are needed for anyone in Arizona, other than what federal law currently requires."

The fact that the governor's office was able to get back to KGUN9 News on Tuesday with a response is remarkable, in light of the volume of calls that are pouring in. An office assistant told KGUN9 earlier Tuesday afternoon that over the past five days, the office has received 160,000 phone calls, and is having a hard time keeping up.

KGUN9 has also received very heavy viewer traffic on this issue, although not at that kind of level. E-mails and web postings continue to heavily favor implementation of the law. By viewer request, KGUN9.com is running another "Question of the Day" web poll on this issue. Viewers can find that poll on the KGUN9.com home page, about halfway down on the right, and may cast votes through midnight on Tuesday.