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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    Spill Baby Spill - Who should really pay for this Disaster???



    BUSINESS APRIL 28, 2010 Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device By RUSSELL GOLD, BEN CASSELMAN And GUY CHAZAN
    Associated Press

    The disaster has been sending 1,000 barrels of oil a day gushing into the sea.
    The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

    The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig last week.

    The accident has led to one of the largest ever oil spills in U.S. water and the loss of 11 lives. On Wednesday federal investigators said the disaster is now releasing 5,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf, up from original estimates of 1,000 barrels a day.

    U.S. regulators don't mandate use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by oil giant BP PLC, didn't have one. With the remote control, a crew can attempt to trigger an underwater valve that shuts down the well even if the oil rig itself is damaged or evacuated.

    The efficacy of the devices is unclear. Major offshore oil-well blowouts are rare, and it remained unclear Wednesday evening whether acoustic switches have ever been put to the test in a real-world accident. When wells do surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. Remote control systems such as the acoustic switch, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort.

    Nevertheless, regulators in two major oil-producing countries, Norway and Brazil, in effect require them. Norway has had acoustic triggers on almost every offshore rig since 1993.

    The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling. The agency, the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, says it decided the remote device wasn't needed because rigs had other back-up plans to cut off a well.

    The U.K., where BP is headquartered, doesn't require the use of acoustic triggers.

    On all offshore oil rigs, there is one main switch for cutting off the flow of oil by closing a valve located on the ocean floor. Many rigs also have automatic systems, such as a "dead man" switch as a backup that is supposed to close the valve if it senses a catastrophic failure aboard the rig.

    As a third line of defense, some rigs have the acoustic trigger: It's a football-sized remote control that uses sound waves to communicate with the valve on the seabed floor and close it.

    An acoustic trigger costs about $500,000, industry officials said. The Deepwater Horizon had a replacement cost of about $560 million, and BP says it is spending $6 million a day to battle the oil spill. On Wednesday, crews set fire to part of the oil spill in an attempt to limit environmental damage.

    Some major oil companies, including Royal Dutch Shell PLC and France's Total SA, sometimes use the device even where regulators don't call for it.

    Transocean Ltd., which owned and operated the Deepwater Horizon and the shut-off valve, declined to comment on why a remote-control device wasn't installed on the rig or to speculate on whether such a device might have stopped the spill. A BP spokesman said the company wouldn't speculate on whether a remote control would have made a difference.

    Much still isn't known about what caused the problems in Deepwater Horizon's well, nearly a mile beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico. It went out of control, sending oil surging through pipes to the surface and causing a fire that ultimately sank the rig.

    Unmanned submarines that arrived hours after the explosion have been unable to activate the shut-off valve on the seabed, called a blowout preventer.

    BP says the Deepwater Horizon did have a "dead man" switch, which should have automatically closed the valve on the seabed in the event of a loss of power or communication from the rig. BP said it can't explain why it didn't shut off the well.

    Transocean drillers aboard the rig at the time of the explosion, who should have been in a position to hit the main cutoff switch, are among the dead. It isn't known if they were able to reach the button, which would have been located in the area where the fire is likely to have started. Another possibility is that one of them did push the button, but it didn't work.

    Tony Hayward, BP's CEO, said finding out why the blowout preventer didn't shut down the well is the key question in the investigation. "This is the failsafe mechanism that clearly has failed," Mr. Hayward said in an interview.

    Lars Herbst, regional director of the Minerals Management Service in the Gulf of Mexico, said investigators are focusing on why the blowout preventer failed.


    Crude oil released into the Gulf of Mexico after an oil rig explosion last week is now threatening the Louisiana shore. WSJ reporter Angel Gonzalez takes a look at the damage from the air, where oil sheen seems to extend to the horizon.
    Industry consultants and petroleum engineers said that an acoustic remote-control may have been able to stop the well, but too much is still unknown about the accident to say that with certainty.

    Rigs in Norway and Brazil are equipped with the remote-control devices, which can trigger the blowout preventers from a lifeboat in the event the electric cables connecting the valves to the drilling rig are damaged.

    While U.S. regulators have called the acoustic switches unreliable and prone, in the past, to cause unnecessary shut-downs, Inger Anda, a spokeswoman for Norway's Petroleum Safety Authority, said the switches have a good track record in the North Sea. "It's been seen as the most successful and effective option," she said.

    The manufacturers of the equipment, including Kongsberg Maritime AS, Sonardyne Ltd. and Nautronix PLC, say their equipment has improved significantly over the past decade.

    The Brazilian government began urging the use of the remote-control equipment in 2007, after an extensive overhaul of its safety rules following a fire aboard an oil platform killed 11 people, said Raphael Moura, head of safety division at Brazil's National Petroleum Agency. "Our concern is both safety and the environment," he said.

    Industry critics cite the lack of the remote control as a sign U.S. drilling policy has been too lax. "What we see, going back two decades, is an oil industry that has had way too much sway with federal regulations," said Dan McLaughlin, a spokesman for Democratic Florida Sen. Bill Nelson. "We are seeing our worst nightmare coming true."

    U.S. regulators have considered mandating the use of remote-control acoustic switches or other back-up equipment at least since 2000. After a drilling ship accidentally released oil, the Minerals Management Service issued a safety notice that said a back-up system is "an essential component of a deepwater drilling system."

    The industry argued against the acoustic systems. A 2001 report from the International Association of Drilling Contractors said "significant doubts remain in regard to the ability of this type of system to provide a reliable emergency back-up control system during an actual well flowing incident."

    By 2003, U.S. regulators decided remote-controlled safeguards needed more study. A report commissioned by the Minerals Management Service said "acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly."

    A spokesman for the agency, Nicholas Pardi, said the decision not to require the device came, in part, after the agency took a survey that found most rigs already had back-up systems of some kind. Those systems include the unmanned submarines BP has been using to try to close the seabed valve.

    —Jeff Fick contributed to this article.
    Write to Russell Gold at russell.gold@wsj.com, Ben Casselman at ben.casselman@wsj.com and Guy Chazan at guy.chazan@wsj.com

    Corrections & Amplifications:
    The oil rig that exploded and sank in the Gulf of Mexico was owned by Transocean Ltd. and leased by BP PLC. A previous version of this article incorrectly said that BP owned the rig.
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?
  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    #2
    How About Darth Cheney???



    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • Guitar Shark
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Jan 2004
      • 7579

      #3
      ROTH ARMY MILITIA


      Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
      Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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      • chefcraig
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Apr 2004
        • 12172

        #4
        This is just plain awful. I can compare it to waiting for a hurricane to hit, as there is nothing to do except sit tight and hope for the best. At least that is what is taking place up and down the gulf coast of Florida right now. I can not imagine how other states (who are far more dependent upon revenue from fishing and seafood) are preparing, nor do I expect this to be anything less than complete disaster for the regions involved.









        “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
        ― Stephen Hawking

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        • LoungeMachine
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jul 2004
          • 32576

          #5
          Where's the Anti-Big Government / Anti-Regulation people now?????

          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • Guitar Shark
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7579

            #6
            Originally posted by LoungeMachine
            Where's the Anti-Big Government / Anti-Regulation people now?????

            Selling their stock in BP, I would imagine...

            Norway is a major oil producer??
            ROTH ARMY MILITIA


            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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            • LoungeMachine
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jul 2004
              • 32576

              #7
              2.5 million barrels a day, I guess.



              who knew?
              Originally posted by Kristy
              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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              • chefcraig
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Apr 2004
                • 12172

                #8
                Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                Where's the Anti-Big Government / Anti-Regulation people now?????

                Fuck that. If the Obama administration in any way, shape or form fails to act swiftly with the clean-up of the area, my money is on all of the despondent McCain supporters to start making inane comparisons to the Bush regime's shortcomings after Katrina. I can see the rallying cry now: "Aha! Obama's no better than Bush! Obama's no better than Bush!" or some other, equally insipid nonsense.









                “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                ― Stephen Hawking

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                • kwame k
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 11302

                  #9
                  An acoustic trigger costs about $500,000, industry officials said. The Deepwater Horizon had a replacement cost of about $560 million, and BP says it is spending $6 million a day to battle the oil spill. On Wednesday, crews set fire to part of the oil spill in an attempt to limit environmental damage.
                  By 2003, U.S. regulators decided remote-controlled safeguards needed more study. A report commissioned by the Minerals Management Service said "acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly."
                  That half a mil isn't sounding that expensive now, is it?
                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    Originally posted by chefcraig
                    Fuck that. If the Obama administration in any way, shape or form fails to act swiftly with the clean-up of the area, my money is on all of the despondent McCain supporters to start making inane comparisons to the Bush regime's shortcomings after Katrina. I can see the rallying cry now: "Aha! Obama's no better than Bush! Obama's no better than Bush!" or some other, equally insipid nonsense.
                    Agreed.

                    I think Government is there to REGULATE these rigs, and make sure they're REQUIRED to have basic safety/shu off systems in place, AS WELL AS emergency response teams ready to contain and clean up the spills.

                    The companies get to reap record profits by NOT spending money on safe guards, and WE get to pay for their messes???????

                    Fuck that shit.

                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • kwame k
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 11302

                      #11
                      Let's hear what the Rocket Surgeon has to say about it.........

                      But as a major proponent of offshore drilling, the former Republican vice presidential nominee said that she’d still wants “our country to be able to trust the oil industry.”

                      “We’ve got to tap domestically because energy security will be the key to our prosperity,” she said as part of a 30-minute speech, which she echoed in large part the next day in Wichita, Kan.

                      Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0muehQX8p
                      Since we've had this debate Ad Nauseum......domestic oil production will not ever get us off the teat of other nation's oil.
                      Last edited by kwame k; 05-03-2010, 07:59 PM.
                      Originally posted by vandeleur
                      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                      • chefcraig
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 12172

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kwame k
                        Let's hear what the Rocket Surgeon has to say about it.........

                        Since we've had this debate Ad Nauseum......domestic oil production will not ever get us off the teat of other nation's oil.
                        You see, that's the thing. According to an article in this morning's paper, our domestic oil production accounts for around 30 % of our country's needs. Simple math dictates that two thirds of our use is dependent upon oil from other countries.

                        And by the way, it's swell to read that my state is getting out in front of things, as usual.

                        Law firms from Florida to Texas filing suits over oil spill

                        As oil continues to gush from a severed pipeline on the Gulf of Mexico seabed, a consortium of law firms stretching from Fort Lauderdale to Texas is preparing for its own kind of cleanup.

                        The first wave of more than a half-dozen lawsuits landed in federal court in New Orleans last week — one week after the disaster began with an explosion and fire aboard the oil rig Deepwater Horizon 50 miles off the coast of Louisiana. The rig sank two days later.

                        "I suspect there will be thousands of lawsuits," said Broward lawyer Walter G. "Skip" Campbell, who plans to file suit this week in New Orleans on behalf of Gulf shrimp and oyster farmers.

                        To date, authorities have said they can't choke off the flow of an estimated 210,000 gallons of oil a day that's pouring from the damaged pipe and rising nearly a mile to the surface. An enormous, still-growing oil slick threatens economic interests and wildlife habitat for hundreds of miles of coastline from Louisiana to Florida.

                        According to Campbell, the unfolding environmental calamity spells the end of a way of life for those who make their living harvesting gulf shrimp and oysters.

                        "These folks are the Forrest Gumps. This is going to decimate [their] industry … for life. This is crude oil, and it will get into the beds where the shrimp breed," Campbell said.

                        Closer to home, he said, the disaster also means the end of the line for the bounty of superb Gulf seafood enjoyed by consumers.

                        "That's what I'm telling you. Shrimp and oysters will be coming from other ports of the world," said Campbell.

                        Campbell, a former Democratic state senator from Coral Springs, is a name partner at Fort Lauderdale's Krupnick, Campbell, Malone, Buser, Slama, Hancock, Liberman & McKee. The firm is among about a dozen law firms that have banded together to prosecute civil cases on behalf of the spill's economic victims. Other attorneys at his firm who are working on the case are Michael J. Ryan and Robert J. McKee.

                        Campbell said that, as the spill spreads, it may be necessary to file suits in other cities.

                        Campbell said his law firm was invited to join the team because of its experience in so-called mass tort cases. The firm has won large verdicts in Broward against E.I. DuPont de Nemours & Co. on behalf of Ecuadoran shrimp farmers who claimed runoff containing its fungicide Benlate ruined production.

                        Economic losses for all those affected by the spill will be in the "multibillions," Campbell said.

                        "In the Panhandle they're already starting to lose tourist bookings. Then there's the cruise ship industry that traverses out of New Orleans. And all the little businesses," he said.

                        Where will the money to pay those damages come from? The deepest pocket is BP PLC, which leased the rig from Transocean Ltd., an offshore drilling contractor.

                        "BP is going to pay and the only question is whether it is going to essentially be bankrupted," said Campbell. "But remember, they made $8 billion to $10 billion in profit the first quarter of this year."









                        “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                        ― Stephen Hawking

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                        • kwame k
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 11302

                          #13
                          Great excuse to raise oil/gas prices for the summer driving season......even though they said they were raising prices this summer back in Feb, IIRC.

                          If they feel they aren't making the record profits like they should be, they'll just raise prices.

                          $3.00 per gallon gas by June......any takers on this one?

                          .
                          Last edited by kwame k; 05-03-2010, 08:08 PM.
                          Originally posted by vandeleur
                          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                          • LoungeMachine
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 32576

                            #14
                            Nice to know the LAWYERS can make it through the lean times......

                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                            • LoungeMachine
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 32576

                              #15
                              Originally posted by kwame k
                              Great excuse to raise oil/gas prices for the summer driving season......even though they said they were raising prices this summer back in Feb, IIRC.


                              $3.00 per gallon gas by June......any takers on this one?
                              Yeah ummm...

                              It hasn't been BELOW $3 here in quite some time...

                              $3.09 is about as low as it goes here



                              $1.46 a gallon when BushCO took office
                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                              Originally posted by cadaverdog
                              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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