New York City approves plans for Mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero

[Va Beach VH Fan]

All this hostility over the mythology that is religion, regardless which one it is....

[GAR]

Yeah, damn those Southern Baptists and all those tons and tons of thermite they were commanded by the CIA to ignite inside both Twin Towers.

Thank the Prophet that those planes came and finished the job all that supposed Thermite couldn't, huh.

And them Presbyterians! Boy, don't get started on how hostile they can be with their sharp talons, beaks of death, teeth as sharp as a thousand piranhas... they'll CUT ya boy!

They'll CUTcha..

[GAR]

Did he forget the parts how "Christian" crusaders murdered hundreds of thousands of women and children, Jew or Muslim, despite that annoying commandment?

BTW, Winston Churchill also was responsible for the amphibious military abortion known as Gallipoli and for almost fucking up a good deal of WWII...

I don't think Churchill's legacy is in danger anytime soon from your twisted logic.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yeah, damn those Southern Baptists and all those tons and tons of thermite they were commanded by the CIA to ignite inside both Twin Towers.

Thank the Prophet that those planes came and finished the job all that supposed Thermite couldn't, huh.

And them Presbyterians! Boy, don't get started on how hostile they can be with their sharp talons, beaks of death, teeth as sharp as a thousand piranhas... they'll CUT ya boy!

They'll CUTcha..

Religion is the biggest scam in the history of mankind....

Think of the money that has been absolutely swindled for centuries, mostly from people that desperately need it themselves....

Think of how religion, really when you think about it, controls much of international relations around the world....

Think of how religion controls who can be President of the United States, and who can't be....

Think of the millions upon millions of people that have been unnecessarily murdered in the name of religion....

I could go on and on, but the older I get, the more I think people who believe in any religion are incredibly naive to believe in such obvious horseshit....

[Anonymous]

Replace "naive" with "unbelievably retarded" & you got yourself a good post there, VA.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Blaze]

Religion is the biggest scam in the history of mankind....

Think of the money that has been absolutely swindled for centuries, mostly from people that desperately need it themselves....

Think of how religion, really when you think about it, controls much of international relations around the world....

Think of how religion controls who can be President of the United States, and who can't be....

Think of the millions upon millions of people that have been unnecessarily murdered in the name of religion....

I could go on and on, but the older I get, the more I think people who believe in any religion are incredibly naive to believe in such obvious horseshit....

Wow, you could almost say that about the business of media.

[Blaze]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam

Winston Churchill, the British Prime Minister through most of World War II, criticized what he alleged to be of the effects Islam had on its believers. He stated in his 1899 book The River War:<sup id="cite_ref-131" class="reference">[132]</sup>

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

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[Blaze]

http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/genocidal-christian-activities-threaten-to-destroy-hinduism-in-the-carribeans/

[jhale667]

OK, since the neocons around here tend to worship him....

Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots: Stop Your Demagogy About The NYC Mosque!

http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-08-20/ron-paul-sunshine-patriots-stop-your-demagogy-about-the-nyc-mosque/

Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:

Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam–the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.

The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.


Wake up.

[Jagermeister]

That's true.

Now Americans can't even have an opposition without the Government wanting to know who's behind it. THE FUCKING AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE BEHIND IT.

[jhale667]

Hold up. Is it possible that Ron Paul is confused? The Speaker has called for an investigation into who's funding the opposition of the building of the mosque.

Well, he HAS been supposedly accepting donations from racist groups, which seems to go directly against a LOT of what he says, so ... possibly.


Oh, and to Jackholemeister - Hindus wear turbans, not muslims, moron.

[Jagermeister]

Oh, and to Jackholemeister - Hindus wear turbans, not muslims, moron.

What are you talking about jackoffhale? I didn't say anything about either one of those things. I know the difference between a Dot head and a Rag Head!

[jhale667]

What are you talking about jackoffhale? I didn't say anything about either one of those things. I know the difference between a Dot head and a Rag Head!

What's that old Mark Twain saying about "better to keep one's mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and ERASE ALL DOUBT"?

[bueno bob]

I'm not a big fan of any ORGANIZED religion (which is to say I harbor a different view about disorganized religion by and large), but overall I think this topic is a bit silly. I don't see a lot of outraged activist groups protesting catholic or christian churches because of all the atrocities they've freely done over the last several thousand years or so...although I almost wish I did at times.

In any regards, we have a whole "freedom of religion" cause here stateside, so anybody in opposition automatically doesn't have a foot to stand on from jump street and that's the end of the ENTIRE debate right there.

Open and shut.

[Bob_R]

Ground zero mosque from the British viewpoint

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Pat Condell on Ground Zero

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