300 Economists Warn Obama: Grave Danger Ahead

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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49567

    #46
    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    Kennedy was a fiscal conservative who would be vilified by the Left today!

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    Obama also "cut taxes," and IS cutting taxes for most middle class house holds. Ronald Regan once raised taxes...

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 59650

      #47
      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      Ronald Regan once raised taxes...
      Well, yeah, but in fairness, he forgot all about it a week later.
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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32942

        #48
        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
        Kennedy was a fiscal conservative who would be vilified by the Left today!

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        It shows you how much the Democrats have lost their way since then. In hindsight Kennedy was trying to do the right things. He had the balls to take the CIA and Federal Reserve on, he was concerned about getting too involved in Vietnam. He understood fractional reserve banking was dangerous and put too much power in too few hands. Hey, and when he had affairs, they were some of the most beautiful and sought after women ever. He wasn't fucking chubby interns and dribbling on the dress.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #49
          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
          You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Obama isn't a "Marxist," or gov't would be seizing all large industries. Look up "Keynesian," and get back to us...
          Read the healthcare law. Obama basically seized the whole healthcare industry. The government has taken over the home mortgage industry as well. Not too mentions banks, insurance and oh yeah, 60% of General Motors.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32942

            #50
            It can be debated whether the government has taken over large industries or whether large industries through their lobbying have taken over the government. But what's the difference? In the end it means we the people are have less choice and pay higher prices and taxes in the end result of either.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49567

              #51
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              Read the healthcare law. Obama basically seized the whole healthcare industry. The government has taken over the home mortgage industry as well. Not too mentions banks, insurance and oh yeah, 60% of General Motors.
              Okay, why don't you read it first? Since all health care providers are still privately owned and the system is far from nationalized. Even Canada doesn't have true "socialized medicine," they have a "socialized insurance pool" actually...

              People throw around these terms like "Marxism" and "socialism" without the slightest idea as to what they actually mean...

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49567

                #52
                Originally posted by Nitro Express
                It can be debated whether the government has taken over large industries or whether large industries through their lobbying have taken over the government. But what's the difference? In the end it means we the people are have less choice and pay higher prices and taxes in the end result of either.
                The difference would be that industry has taken over the gov't to an extent with legalized bribery euphemistically referred to as "lobbying." We certainly do not live under socialism, we actually live under the exact opposite: plutocracy...

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  #53
                  So, your definition of lobbying is legalized bribery ??

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32942

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    The difference would be that industry has taken over the gov't to an extent with legalized bribery euphemistically referred to as "lobbying." We certainly do not live under socialism, we actually live under the exact opposite: plutocracy...
                    Basically we are ruled by The Federal Reserve and connected investment banks like Goldman Sachs. I get that but if you listen to Obama he is a total resdistribute weath guy which is a Marxist ideal. I think he does this because he actually believes it or his voting base is composed of people who want to sock it to the rich. The thing is the big bankers won't have their wealth touched at all, in fact, it will increase. So we have a Marxist working for the oligarchs. As far as Keynsian economics goes, it's a system that believes severe economic downturns can be avoided if the government steps in and spends money it doesn't have. As we can now clearly see, it doesn't work.

                    So is it real Marxism? No. It's fascism because the investment banks and private Federal Reserve have merged with the government instead of the government being a sepparate regulating arm. But Obama's redistribution of wealth philosophy is clearly Marxist.

                    So things aren't cut and dry or black and white. I would say the behind the scenes reality is indeed plutocracy at very high levels and it's international. But then look at the Soviet Union. Was it really communism? The high officials all seemed to be more equal than others. So in many ways these labels are all flawed to a degree.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • BigBadBrian
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10625

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Obama also "cut taxes," and IS cutting taxes for most middle class house holds.
                      Bullshit on Obama.

                      All he's doing is extending Bush's tax cuts, falsely trying to give America the impression they are his tax cuts.

                      What a lying cunt!
                      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 59650

                        #56
                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        So, your definition of lobbying is legalized bribery ??
                        What else would you call it?
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                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32942

                          #57
                          Bush, Obama and their backers are after the same thing. Putting all the power in very few hands and the American people be damned.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #58
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            What else would you call it?
                            A neccessary tool for gonvernment...

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 59650

                              #59
                              Lobbyist representing people may or may not be necessary. Lobbyists representing corporations should not exist.
                              Eat Us And Smile

                              Cenk For America 2024!!

                              Justice Democrats


                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                              • ELVIS
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 44120

                                #60
                                Why, because BCE corporations are destroying the earth and society as we know it ??

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