This wikileaks guy should be "taken out" of the picture.

[chefcraig]

Yeah, according to an article in the business section of our local paper, Bank Of America was named as being one of the featured banks. GOOD! Anything that provides discomfort for those cock suckers is more than welcomed by me.

[FORD]

Yeah, I don't like BOA much either, but that was more for personal reasons long before they became the kingpins of foreclosure fraud. Fucking bastards managed to take a dumb mistake I made when I was 20 years old and used it to fuck up my credit for well over a decade.

[Nitro Express]

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I love how government incompetence is mentioned.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

BOA's fees were the absolute worst ever. and funds availability rules fraudulently designed to fuck you with overdrafts was infuriating!

[chefcraig]

Yeah, I don't like BOA much either, but that was more for personal reasons long before they became the kingpins of foreclosure fraud. Fucking bastards managed to take a dumb mistake I made when I was 20 years old and used it to fuck up my credit for well over a decade.

Trust me, my reasoning is based upon a personal experience from long ago as well. It was only a matter of time before their inherent greed (combined with an astounding ineptitude and complete incapability of grasping even the redundantly obvious when in error) would catch up with them. I'm amazed that it didn't happen sooner.

[Nitro Express]

Maybe World War III has already started. The war between the hackers. You can't control the world by controlling the mainstream press anymore.

[Nitro Express]

I had had to hire a lawyer to get $30,000 out of Well Fargo. They wouldn't give me my money and kept hiding behind red tape and excuses. It's a horrible bank. So is Chase. These sharks are now trying to use the Federal Government to run you local regional banks out of business. Then we will have the banking monopoly from hell.

[Nitro Express]

Well. As long as Barrack Obama remains in office, nothing will happen to these banks. He doesn't care what we think of him and he's going to continue the program the banks outlined for him.

[Seshmeister]

If I can just interrupt your off topic ranting, I thought the Economist summed up the argument quite well today.

The basic question is not whether we think Julian Assange is a terrorist or a hero. The basic question certainly is not whether we think exposing the chatter of the diplomatic corps helps or hinders their efforts, and whether this is a good or bad thing.

To continue to focus on these questions is to miss the forest for the texture of the bark on a single elm. If we take the inevitability of future large leaks for granted, then I think the debate must eventually centre on the things that will determine the supply of leakers and leaks. Some of us wish to encourage in individuals the sense of justice which would embolden them to challenge the institutions that control our fate by bringing their secrets to light. Some of us wish to encourage in individuals ever greater fealty and submission to corporations and the state in order to protect the privileges and prerogatives of the powerful, lest their erosion threaten what David Brooks calls "the fragile community"—our current, comfortable dispensation.

[Nitro Express]

The US Federal Government is about as crooked as it's ever been. It's nice to see Hillary Clinton and Joe Libermann squirm. In normal circumstances what Wikileaks did might not be a good thing but when you have thugs and criminals in the government, exposing the rat's nest might be a good thing.

It sure exposes a lot of lies and hidden agendas that start wars and get us into situations we shouldn't be in.

This is much different than sharing info with an enemy that means the nation harm or giving weapons systems secrets away for money. If anything it's bad for the politicians and good for the average person. I don't see anything that puts the general public in danger but plenty to put a political career in danger.

[Seshmeister]

I still can't get away with the stupidity in information management security terms.

My understanding is that after 9-11 they came up with the idea that to prevent something similar happening again all information should be shared amongst all government agencies. This has apparently led to a potential mailing list of 2 million who could access the thoughts of diplomats all over the world.

It's a complete joke that the focus is on Wikileaks who have actually acted quite responsibly so far. It was inevitable that such a system was going to be totally insecure.

[Blaze]

Amazon's Wikileaks Rejection Raises Cloud Trust Concerns

Keir Thomas – Thu Dec 2, 1:31 pm ET



When the Wikileaks "cablegate" scandal broke last week, those behind the whistle-blowing Website found their servers under heavy load. No surprise there, of course, but an additional DDoS hack attack didn't help.

To remedy the situation, Wikileaks did what anybody else would do by renting some elastic space in the cloud to take up the strain. They chose Amazon Web Services, which, although initially unperturbed by the move, yesterday removed Wikileaks' material without an explanation or apology. It appears Amazon came under political pressure to do so.

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It boils down to what cloud providers consider to be objectionable material. Most service agreements are a little vague on this point, perhaps deliberately so. Amazon's Web Services Customer Agreement says the following, which is wildly open to interpretation and could theoretically let them remove just about anything:

11.2. Applications and Content. You represent and warrant: [...] (iii) that Your Content (a) does not violate, misappropriates or infringes any rights of us or any third party, (b) does not constitutes defamation, invasion of privacy or publicity, or otherwise violates any rights of any third party, or (c) is not designed for use in any illegal activity or to promote illegal activities, including, without limitation, use in a manner that might be libelous or defamatory or otherwise malicious, illegal or harmful to any person or entity, or discriminatory based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation, or age;

Even if the service agreements were crystal clear about what is and isn't acceptable content, there will be many borderline cases that could fall either way. Anybody using cloud services could potentially be at the mercy of unaccountable arbiters within the organization.

{...}

Where does their legal liability start and stop? Bearing in mind that cloud computing is a radically different prospect compared to simple Web hosting, will cloud computing need its own set of laws and regulations? Will the wise IT manager wait until various lawsuits have proved what is or isn't acceptable when it comes to the cloud?

The other issue raised is how easily cloud services will hand over material to government agencies when requested. Keeping a server computer within your premises allows property rights that prevent law enforcement getting their hands on it without significant hassle. How much hassle would law enforcement agencies need to go through to get Amazon to roll over?

Could law enforcement agencies deliberately cause disruption for a business by getting the cloud service to deactivate or suspect their account? It isn't hard to imagine, is it?

{...}


There's a risk of navel gazing here, but following all logical and legal paths is something anybody involved in a migration to cloud computing will have to do. If not, they could be left very red-faced.

At the moment, it feels like we're at the beginning of the beginning of understanding the nature of cloud computing. Only the brave would dive in at this point in time.

Keir Thomas has been writing about computing since the last century, and more recently has written several best-selling books. You can learn more about him at http://keirthomas.com and his Twitter feed is @keirthomas.

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[Diamondjimi]

~Data~

[FORD]

Amazon probably took down the page the minute their CEO Jeff Bozo found out about it. He's a snivelling little Repuke weasel who just spent millions to make sure he'd never have to pay his fair share of taxes up here in Washington state.

[chefcraig]

Amazon probably took down the page the minute their CEO Jeff Bozo found out about it. He's a snivelling little Repuke weasel who just spent millions to make sure he'd never have to pay his fair share of taxes up here in Washington state.

I dunno, FORD. Amazon has proven that they'll take money from just about anybody, until the publicity gets too negative. Remember, this is the same outfit that felt it OK to offer a how-to book for pederasts at it's Kindle store until it was pointed out that this wasn't exactly a great idea. Amazon Removes Pedophilia Book From Store