...And democracy dies in Wisconsin.

[the atomic punk]

What else are you going to cry about? And yes, all 5 points in the article are factual.

Well I'm not a big fan of your avi for starters.

Factual? Really?

It’s obviously in your interest to pay as little as possible to government workers, to keep their benefits as low as possible, and to hire as few of them as possible to do the job.

It's in your best interest to pay as little as possible to cops, teachers, prison guards? So maybe we should swing by Home Depot every time there is a fire and pick up a couple guys to put it out? That's plain brain dead. You get what you pay for.

[hambon4lif]

NOT ONE PERSON has been arrested for the financial meltdown on Wall Street in 2008. NOT ONE.

And it appears that no one is going to either.....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216

[Nitro Express]

But here's an observation from me being a customer. I bought a Suburban that was made by non-union cheap labor in Mexico. The engine had to be replaced and the front transaxle had catastrophic failure at 6,000 miles. I took the piece of shit back to the dealer and GM allowed me to swap it for another Suburban. I test drove everything on the lot and I noticed some of the Suburbans drove and seemed to be tighter than the other ones. When I checked some Suburbans were made in Wisconsin by UAW union workers and the others were made in Mexico. I chose a Wisconsin union made suburban and it's been great. So the unions won there and the price was the same as the Mexican shit. As a customer I benefitted and it didn't cost me a penny more.

[Nitro Express]

And it appears that no one is going to either.....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-jail-20110216

When we had the savings and loan scandals in the 80's thousands of people went to jail. Not one has gone to jail for the derivative and mortgage scandals that crashed the world's financial systems. This thing has bankrupted whole countries and not one person has gone to jail for it. Maybe eventually they will be beheaded for it.

[Nitro Express]

To be honest, I don't mind paying more for union labor if quality is the end result. If the American consumer bought quality instead of Walmart grade junk, we would have more jobs here. Why? The Chinese can compete on price but they can't compete on quality. So buy less, buy local, and buy quality. I would take a UAW car over a Chinese care any day of the week.

[Nitro Express]

A thousand points of light and change we can believe in. More like a thousand ways to get fucked and change that will fuck you. I mean fuck the Republicrats. After Obama is out of office you are going to see him, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush tagging around the world showing us what great humanitarians they are and how much they care. They all are bought and paid for be the same corporate money.

[chefcraig]

So the moderator doesn't like my opinion so he messes with my profile? Is that how this place works?

Read this: ROTH ARMY USER RANKS

[WACF]

The clothing, T-shirts, jackets, caps whatever....that my union puts out with it's logo are all union made...either US or Canada...are top quality and cheap to buy.

It is easy to blame organized labour for high costs but reality is profits are outlined well about the guy on the floor.

[BigBadBrian]

Hell yeah! Good wine too if Washington state is added in.

Washington and Oregon winw is vinegar compared to CA wines. There are varieties that are the exception of course.

Some of the VA varietals are better also.

[hambon4lif]

Well I'm not a big fan of your avi for starters.

Factual? Really?

You'll have to exercise patience in dealing with BigBullyBrian. He has the tendency of going Cro-Magnon on those who don't subscribe to his extremely self-centered, singular vision of the way things ought to be.

He doesn't yet realize those two stones laying on the ground in his cave are actually flint-rocks. But give him time, sooner or later he'll bang those two together and re-invent something that will get him out of the motherfucking dark.

[Nitro Express]

Washington and Oregon winw is vinegar compared to CA wines. There are varieties that are the exception of course.

Some of the VA varietals are better also.

Chardonay and Riesling and of course it depends on what wine and winery. Some california wines are shit.

[sadaist]

Uh, yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about. Is that just a wacky thing you guys do here? If it's innocent, I apologize, the timing just seemed suspicious.

Yeah. We all had to suffer through that. It's a form of hazing. Really motivates you when you first are posting to browse a lot of different threads & get some posts in there to raise it up to a respectable title. I think it starts to get good at about 100 total posts. Those can be anywhere within the site in any variety of threads & forums. You can even go to a thread specifically for padding your post count & let loose.

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?58192-Pad-your-post-count-here...&p=1528428#post1528428

[PETE'S BROTHER]

NOW COMES THE COMPLAINANT Kathleen Falk, personally, and the County of Dane, as and for a verified complaint pursuant to Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.96 and 19.97 alleges and complains as follows:
1. That Kathleen Falk states she is a resident of the City of Madison, Wisconsin and that her business post office address is City County Building, Room 421, 210 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., WI 53703.
2. That she is the acting County Executive for Dane County, Wisconsin and was formerly the elected County Executive for Dane County, Wisconsin.

3. That Wisconsin State SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD whose business post office address is Room 211 South, State Capitol, Madison, Wisconsin, on the 9th day of March, 2011, is the Senate Majority Leader of the State of Wisconsin, currently presiding as the chair of the Joint Legislative Conference Committee and that the Conference Committee and the State Senate are both governmental bodies within the meaning of Wis. Stats. sec. 19.82(1).
4. That SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER knowingly attended a meeting of the Joint Legislative Conference Committee said governmental bodies held in violation of Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.84, 19.87, 19.88 and otherwise violated those sections in they failed to provide the requisite and timely notice for the committee meeting and the Senate vote as required by law. They were warned in the committee by State Representative Peter Barca that they would be violating the Open Meetings provisions of Chapter 19 by proceeding. Representative Barca, who read from 2010 guidance of the Wisconsin Attorney General on Open Meetings, and his warning were ignored.
5. That SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER voted in favor of the alleged amendments to Senate Bill 11 bill at the Joint Legislative Conference Committee meeting, said amendments to purportedly strip the bill of any fiscal impacts so that the bill could be forwarded within minutes to the full Senate for consideration. That at this committee meeting, SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER failed to heed the warning of Representative Barca and are thereby subject to the penalties prescribed in Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.96 and in addition the voiding any action taken by the Joint Legislative Conference Committee or the Wisconsin Senate in violation of the Open Meetings Laws of Wisconsin.
6. The following witnesses can testify to the said acts or omissions:
Rep. Peter Barca – Room 201 West, State Capitol, Madison, WI 53703 – Phone # 266-5504
Sen. Scott Fitzgerald - Room 211 South, State Capitol, Madison, WI 53703 – Phone # 266-5660.
Members of the news media and public who attended the committee meeting or Senate vote.
All Republican members of the Wisconsin Senate.
7. That the following documentary evidence of said acts or omissions is available: video footage of the committee meeting exists from various news outlets, particularly WisconsinEye, Public Affairs Network, upon information and belief statements of SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD confirming that less than 24 hours notice was given for both the Joint Legislative Conference Committee and the vote of the State Senate, also upon information and belief notices for the Joint Legislative Conference Committee or the Wisconsin Senate vote that were posted with less than 2 hours notice.

8. That this complaint is made to the District Attorney for Dane County, Wisconsin and the Attorney General of the State of Wisconsin to timely institute an action against SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER and members of the Wisconsin Senate who voted in favor of the “Budget Repair Bill” on March 9, 2011 to recover the forfeiture provided in Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.96, together with reasonable costs and disbursements as provided by law as well as further relief voiding any action taken following a violation of the Open Meetings Laws. Such action would include the voiding of amendments to Senate Bill 11 made during the improperly noticed and therefore, illegal meeting of the Joint Finance Committee and the subsequent approval of the purportedly amended Senate Bill 11 which was both the product of an illegal meeting of the Joint Finance Committee and the product of a vote taken during an improperly noticed and therefore illegal meeting of the Wisconsin Senate. Upon information and belief the vote in the Senate was 18-1 with Senator Dale Schultz voting “no.”
STATE OF WISCONSIN )
) ss.
COUNTY OF DANE )
Kathleen Falk, being first duly sworn on oath deposes and says that he is the above-named Complainant, that she has read the foregoing Complaint and that, based on her knowledge, the contents of the Complaint are true.

_______________________________
KATHLEEN FALK – COMPLAINANT
Subscribed and sworn to before me
this _____ day of March, 2011.
__________________________
Notary Public, State of Wisconsin
My commission: _____________

[bueno bob]

NOW COMES THE COMPLAINANT Kathleen Falk, personally, and the County of Dane, as and for a verified complaint pursuant to Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.96 and 19.97 alleges and complains as follows:
1. That Kathleen Falk states she is a resident of the City of Madison, Wisconsin and that her business post office address is City County Building, Room 421, 210 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., WI 53703.
2. That she is the acting County Executive for Dane County, Wisconsin and was formerly the elected County Executive for Dane County, Wisconsin.

3. That Wisconsin State SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD whose business post office address is Room 211 South, State Capitol, Madison, Wisconsin, on the 9th day of March, 2011, is the Senate Majority Leader of the State of Wisconsin, currently presiding as the chair of the Joint Legislative Conference Committee and that the Conference Committee and the State Senate are both governmental bodies within the meaning of Wis. Stats. sec. 19.82(1).
4. That SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER knowingly attended a meeting of the Joint Legislative Conference Committee said governmental bodies held in violation of Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.84, 19.87, 19.88 and otherwise violated those sections in they failed to provide the requisite and timely notice for the committee meeting and the Senate vote as required by law. They were warned in the committee by State Representative Peter Barca that they would be violating the Open Meetings provisions of Chapter 19 by proceeding. Representative Barca, who read from 2010 guidance of the Wisconsin Attorney General on Open Meetings, and his warning were ignored.
5. That SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER voted in favor of the alleged amendments to Senate Bill 11 bill at the Joint Legislative Conference Committee meeting, said amendments to purportedly strip the bill of any fiscal impacts so that the bill could be forwarded within minutes to the full Senate for consideration. That at this committee meeting, SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER failed to heed the warning of Representative Barca and are thereby subject to the penalties prescribed in Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.96 and in addition the voiding any action taken by the Joint Legislative Conference Committee or the Wisconsin Senate in violation of the Open Meetings Laws of Wisconsin.
6. The following witnesses can testify to the said acts or omissions:
Rep. Peter Barca – Room 201 West, State Capitol, Madison, WI 53703 – Phone # 266-5504
Sen. Scott Fitzgerald - Room 211 South, State Capitol, Madison, WI 53703 – Phone # 266-5660.
Members of the news media and public who attended the committee meeting or Senate vote.
All Republican members of the Wisconsin Senate.
7. That the following documentary evidence of said acts or omissions is available: video footage of the committee meeting exists from various news outlets, particularly WisconsinEye, Public Affairs Network, upon information and belief statements of SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD confirming that less than 24 hours notice was given for both the Joint Legislative Conference Committee and the vote of the State Senate, also upon information and belief notices for the Joint Legislative Conference Committee or the Wisconsin Senate vote that were posted with less than 2 hours notice.

8. That this complaint is made to the District Attorney for Dane County, Wisconsin and the Attorney General of the State of Wisconsin to timely institute an action against SENATOR SCOTT FITZGERALD, SENATOR MICHAEL ELLIS, REPRESENTATIVE JEFF FITZGERALD AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SUDER and members of the Wisconsin Senate who voted in favor of the “Budget Repair Bill” on March 9, 2011 to recover the forfeiture provided in Wis. Stat. Sec. 19.96, together with reasonable costs and disbursements as provided by law as well as further relief voiding any action taken following a violation of the Open Meetings Laws. Such action would include the voiding of amendments to Senate Bill 11 made during the improperly noticed and therefore, illegal meeting of the Joint Finance Committee and the subsequent approval of the purportedly amended Senate Bill 11 which was both the product of an illegal meeting of the Joint Finance Committee and the product of a vote taken during an improperly noticed and therefore illegal meeting of the Wisconsin Senate. Upon information and belief the vote in the Senate was 18-1 with Senator Dale Schultz voting “no.”
STATE OF WISCONSIN )
) ss.
COUNTY OF DANE )
Kathleen Falk, being first duly sworn on oath deposes and says that he is the above-named Complainant, that she has read the foregoing Complaint and that, based on her knowledge, the contents of the Complaint are true.

_______________________________
KATHLEEN FALK – COMPLAINANT
Subscribed and sworn to before me
this _____ day of March, 2011.
__________________________
Notary Public, State of Wisconsin
My commission: _____________

Good. That's a step in the right direction.

Next step will be to recall every single one of those criminal pieces of human shit.

[FORD]

Unfortunately, Wisconsin law says you can't recall an elected official until they have been in office a year. So Muammar Walker still has 10 more months to do damage before they can get rid of him, and his next move will probably be ENRONization of public utilities, with his puppetmasters the KKKoch brothers the likely beneficiaries of such blatant theft.

But the Repuke thug senators, especially the Fitzgerald kids, definitely need to go NOW.