An open letter to the people who hate Obama more than they love America

[sadaist]

Or perhaps because there's a very visible record of Republican policies causing the decline of your country for the last 30 years? (And yes, the policies of Clinton and Obama have been Republican, for the most part, regardless of what they call themselves. )

I don't think honest Republican or Democrat ideas are what has doomed this country, but typical crooked greedy politician ideas. The parties are similar to organized religion.....we follow them because we believe they represent our beliefs, morals & ideals, all the while the ones in charge just take our money & fuck or fuck up everything that moves.

[ThrillsNSpills]

If you want to voice your opinion, try to talk about the issues instead of posting a piece that does nothing but insult and incorrectly labels people.

UH YOU ARE AWARE THAT YOU DID THIS A FEW MINUTES AGO, RIGHT?
RIGHT?
RIGHT?

nah,,, whoosh

[ThrillsNSpills]

remember this:

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"...rather that worrying about something that has done absolutely no harm to societies through the ages?"

We need to get the facts straight.

Homosexual behavior not only seriously harms homosexuals individually, it harms society also. Let's start by looking at the health of people who engage in homosexual behavior:

People who practice homosexuality experience higher rates of many diseases, including:

Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
Hepatitis A, B and C
Gonorrhea
Syphillis
Gay Bowel syndrome
HIV/AIDS
Bacterial vaginosis

People who practice homosexuality have higher rates of:

Alcohol abuse
Drug abuse
Nicotine dependence
Depression
Suicide
Domestic violence (20 times more common than among heterosexuals)
Ah, but maybe these problems are the result of society's discrimination against homosexual people. Not true. If we look at places in which homosexuality is accepted, such as The Netherlands (gay marriage is legal there) and San Fransisco, we find that the greater the acceptance of homosexual behavior, the higher the rate of the above negative consequences. Accepting homosexual behavior makes it worse!

What about the effect of homosexual behavior on society?

In addition to a domestic violence rate that is 20 times higher than among heterosexuals, these are some of the negative effects homosexuality has on society:

Higher rates of child molestation*
(Nearly 1/3 of the child abuse cases are homosexual in nature, and homosexuals are only 3% of the population.)

Daughters of lesbian "parents" are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior and experience the consequences of that behavior.

In areas in which homosexual marriage has become accepted (The Netherlands and areas of Scandinavia, for example), the fundamental building block of society--the family--has fallen apart. In some of these areas as many as 80% of the children are born outside of a family.

Children of homosexual "parents" do the worst in 9 of 13 acedemic categories when compared with both married heterosexual couples and cohabitating couples.

Homosexual behavior is linked with higher rates of promiscuity, physical disease, mental illness, substance abuse, child sexual abuse and domestic violence--all things that impact society negatively. Don't try to say homosexual behavior doesn't hurt society--it is a major force that tears down society and harms children.

For more information I invite you to read a online paper titled: What's Wrong With Letting Same-Sex Couples Marry? LINK (Most of the information here comes from that paper, which includes scientific references to the source documents).

Generalizing

[DLR Bridge]

Having thought about what the guy had to say, and then reading a lot of the responses in this thread and others in this forum, I think the guy's article can easily be condensed down to:

"People hate each other. Life went on."

Then I'd say you either have a reading problem or you skipped his last paragraph. He wasn't hating. He was denouncing hate.

[DLR Bridge]

I don't think honest Republican or Democrat ideas are what has doomed this country, but typical crooked greedy politician ideas. The parties are similar to organized religion.....we follow them because we believe they represent our beliefs, morals & ideals, all the while the ones in charge just take our money & fuck or fuck up everything that moves.

I'll go with that. I've always considered myself to be in the center. I've been left of center since 2000 since our country allowed a fucktard to drive. Ultimately, there are assholes on both sides but I'm all for a unification some day. I fucking hate the constant quibbling that must really make other countries laugh at us.

[Dr. Love]

Then I'd say you either have a reading problem or you skipped his last paragraph. He wasn't hating. He was denouncing hate.

You'll have to forgive me for not buying the last paragraph when the preceding 14 were contradictory.

I'm assuming what the author assumes about these nameless people that he's railing against:

That he hates the people he disagrees because he neither likes their supposed actions (of which he gives no concrete examples) or because he thinks they are bad people (of which he cites no one specifically). And that he believes this in spite of hearing these people say that they don't hate others as he believes.

So no, I read it just fine. Perhaps I read it better than most, since I see further into it and can cut past the bull shit straw man he's constructed while most of everyone else is saying "yeah! that's right! stick it to those nameless, faceless people of which you give no concrete examples for actions of which you make no concrete reference! that'll show them! (whoever they are) high fives for everyone! we sure are making a good point here!"

[DLR Bridge]

The 9-11 example was as concrete as the twin towers.

[hambon4lif]

Having thought about what the guy had to say, and then reading a lot of the responses in this thread and others in this forum, I think the guy's article can easily be condensed down to:

"People hate each other. Life went on."

I'm not quite sure why you've appointed yourself 'devils advocate' here, but while you're feeling smug, above-it-all, and smarter than every single person in the world. let's try something.....
Take the initial post, complete with the valid points the guy was trying to make (they may be buried in the harshness of his delivery, but they're in there), and re-write it in a language that's palatable to EVERYONE....
...oh, and just in case anyone likes it and agrees with it, you might want to put a disclaimer somewhere in there warning them not to be manipulated by you, I mention that because according to you, NOT disagreeing with something and being manipulated by it go hand-in-hand.

I'll read it, and if I like it, I'll try not to be manipulated......I can't make any promises, though. I pretty much believe every single thing I read...

You should really give it a shot, and see if it brings everyone closer to the truth, or at the very least, a solution. Besides, if you don't, I have a strong hunch that people will ultimately grow tired and weary of your uppity bullshit.

Go ahead, Moses! Part the sea!

[Dr. Love]

Let's dissect that part and see how it pertains to "hating black people, gays, muslims" etc

You've used the filibuster more than any other Congress ever, going so far as to vote against providing health care access to 9/11 first responders.

He missed his chance to accuse someone of hating 9/11 first responders, which would have been the most cogent point he could have made up to this point.

You remember 9/11, don't you, it's that thing you used to lie us into a war in Iraq, and then when Obama killed Bin Laden and ended the war in Iraq you told people that he hates America and wants the troops to fail. You monsters. You hate Obama with a passion, despite the fact that he is a tax cutting, deficit reducing war President who undermines civil rights and delivers corporate friendly watered down reforms that benefit special interests just like a Republican. You call him a Kenyan. You call him a socialist. You dance with your hatred singing it proudly in the rain like it was a 1950's musical.

Ok, so I assume he's pointing this purely at the Bush Admin, who used 9/11 to lie us into a war in Iraq. So these are the people he's talking about that hate Obama? Have I finally reasoned out who he's talking about? Cause if he's talking about Joe Voter, I don't think they lied anyone into a war. Unless they all had access to intelligence and then somehow used that access to trick the rest of us.

And then he pivots onward back to hating Obama, no real tie between the 9/11 thing and the rest of his poorly-written diatribe. The guy needs a class in writing. He has a bunch of disconnected ideas that he's trying to stick together when they don't really relate.

Or maybe he hates critical writing.

[Dr. Love]

I'm not quite sure why you've appointed yourself 'devils advocate' here, but while you're feeling smug, above-it-all, and smarter than every single person in the world. let's try something.....
Take the initial post, complete with the valid points the guy was trying to make (they may be buried in the harshness of his delivery, but they're in there), and re-write it in a language that's palatable to EVERYONE....
...oh, and just in case anyone likes it and agrees with it, you might want to put a disclaimer somewhere in there warning them not to be manipulated by you, I mention that because according to you, NOT disagreeing with something and being manipulated by it go hand-in-hand.

I'll read it, and if I like it, I'll try not to be manipulated......I can't make any promises, though. I pretty much believe every single thing I read...

You should really give it a shot, and see if it brings everyone closer to the truth, or at the very least, a solution. Besides, if you don't, I have a strong hunch that people will ultimately grow tired and weary of your uppity bullshit.

Go ahead, Moses! Part the sea!

I'd try, but I'm afraid no amount of effort will help get anything through your thick skull. I'm not a charity worker, and you'd need some really special attention to get through to you.

[Guitar Shark]

I'd try, but I'm afraid no amount of effort will help get anything through your thick skull. I'm not a charity worker, and you'd need some really special attention to get through to you.

C'mon Doc, that's a copout. Some of the members of this forum are certainly deserving of that criticism, but hambon isn't one of them.

[Dr. Love]

C'mon Doc, that's a copout. Some of the members of this forum are certainly deserving of that criticism, but hambon isn't one of them.

I disagree.

[Guitar Shark]

UH YOU ARE AWARE THAT YOU DID THIS A FEW MINUTES AGO, RIGHT?
RIGHT?
RIGHT?

nah,,, whoosh

Brian simply needs to be ignored. He's an admitted troll.

[hambon4lif]

C'mon Doc, that's a copout. Some of the members of this forum are certainly deserving of that criticism, but hambon isn't one of them.

No worries. For some bizarre reason, he's been that way towards me for quite some time now.

By the way he's talking down his nose to everyone, he seems to be "the way of the light, and the light of the way", and I'm just calling him on it is all.....

[Dr. Love]

I'm just calling him on it is all.....

lol! Is that what's going on?

And here I thought you were acting intentionally ignorant for effect. How embarrassing.

My mistake!