The Big Dawg.

[motherchicken]

Well, the single event that triggered my interest in politics was the day the senile old bastard was sworn in, and the hostages in Iran just "coincidentally" happened to be released at the same time.

Even at the age of 14, I knew that was bullshit. Of course I had no idea then just how much the BCE had actually done. Let alone all they would do after that.

It wasn't a coincidence. The Iranians knew Reagan would get the hostages out dead or alive. And he didn't care who had had to kill to do it.
You were already into government conspiracy theories at 14? Explains alot about you.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

So it's really all three branches of government that have fucked up in the last 32 years.

It would also be true then that you cannot exclusively blame the President, correct?

[Nickdfresh]

It wasn't a coincidence. The Iranians knew Reagan would get the hostages out dead or alive. And he didn't care who had had to kill to do it.
You were already into government conspiracy theories at 14? Explains alot about you.

Um, no. Any further rescue operations were completely impossible since the Iranians took the hostages and scattered to secret locations after the failed Operation Eagle Claw mission was compromised. They couldn't even find the hostages. Reagan dealt with terrorists...

[motherchicken]

Um, no. Any further rescue operations were completely impossible since the Iranians took the hostages and scattered to secret locations after the failed Operation Eagle Claw mission was compromised. They couldn't even find the hostages. Reagan dealt with terrorists...

He didn't give a fuck who he was dealing with. He said you better release the hostages or else. They released the hostages. They didn't want the or else.

[Nickdfresh]

Oh fucking, please:

After months of negotiations the United States had agreed to release several billion dollars in Iranian gold and bank assets, frozen in American banks just after the seizure of the embassy. The government of Iran, now involved in a war with neighboring Iraq, was desperate for money and therefore seemed willing to release the hostages. The Iranians refused to communicate directly with the president, or any other American, so Algeria had agreed to act as an intermediary. This arrangement slowed down the negotiating process. As Carter recalled, "The Iranians, who spoke Persian, would talk only with the Algerians, who spoke French. Any question or proposal of mine had to be translated twice as it went from Washington to Algiers to Tehran, and then the answers and counter-proposals had to come back to me over the same slow route." Much of the money involved was being held in overseas branches of twelve American banks, so Carter, his cabinet, and staff were constantly on the phone to London, Istanbul, Bonn, and other world capitals to work out the financial details.

A series of small crises slowed down the process. Lloyd Cutler, one of the White House attorneys, told the president there was a delay in the transfer of assets; the Federal Reserve Bank of New York did not have its part of the money, so funds were shifted among the reserve banks. Another difficulty concerned the time difference between Washington and Tehran. Because of the war with Iraq, the Iranian officials had blackouts of airport lights. This meant that once it got dark in Iran (about 9:30 a.m. Washington time), even if the deal had been sealed, the Algerian pilots would not take off until dawn. Thus, if the departure time passed, everyone understood that it would be another eight to ten hours before anything could happen. That morning, word came to Carter that the planes were on the runway in Tehran, and the hostages had been taken to the vicinity of the airport. At 4:44 a.m. Carter went to the press briefing room to announce that with the help of Algeria the United States and Iran had reached an agreement, but was halted because the Algerian negotiator sent word that the Iranian bank officials did not agree with the terms of accountability in the banking agreements, so the planes were returned to their standby position. The staff soon understood that Carter's trip to Germany to greet hostages would not occur until after the inauguration.

At 6:35 a.m., Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher informed Carter that, "All escrows were signed at 6:18. The Bank of England has certified that they hold $7.977 billion, the correct amount." At 8:04 a.m., Algeria confirmed that the bank certification was complete, and the Algerians were notifying Iran. At 9:45 a.m., Christopher told Carter take-off would be by noon, but, as a security measure, the Iranian officials did not want the word released until the hostages were out of Iranian airspace. President Carter said the United States would comply.[115]

On January 20, 1981, at the moment Reagan completed his 20-minute inaugural address after being sworn in as President, the 52 American hostages were released by Iran into U.S. custody, having spent 444 days in captivity.[116][117] The hostages were flown to Algeria as a symbolic gesture for the help of that government in resolving the crisis. The flight continued to Rhein-Main Air Base in West Germany and on to Wiesbaden USAF Hospital, where former President Carter, acting as emissary, received them. After medical check-ups and debriefings, they took a second flight to Stewart Air National Guard Base in Newburgh, New York, with a refueling stop in Shannon, Ireland, where they were greeted by a large crowd. From Newburgh they traveled by bus to the United States Military Academy, and stayed at the Thayer Hotel at West Point for three days receiving a heroes' welcome all along the route. Ten days after their release, the former hostages were given a ticker tape parade through the Canyon of Heroes in New York City.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis#Release

[ELVIS]

It would also be true then that you cannot exclusively blame the President, correct?

Unless it's Bush...

[FORD]

It would also be true then that you cannot exclusively blame the President, correct?

I never have.

I blame Barry for his weak ass cabinet choices.

I blame the false "Democrats" in the Senate and the House for the rest.

[FORD]

It wasn't a coincidence. The Iranians knew Reagan would get the hostages out dead or alive. And he didn't care who had had to kill to do it.
You were already into government conspiracy theories at 14? Explains alot about you.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy FACT. It was the original "October Surprise". A BCE team flew to Paris before the election and cut a deal with the Ayatollah's goons, who were planning to end the embassy bullshit while Carter was still President. But Poppy and Bill Casey talked them out of it.

Stick to your sock raping, because you really SUCK at history.

[ELVIS]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/bu...annie-mae.html

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
By STEPHEN LABATON
Published: September 11, 2003

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.

I could answer that lame collection of idiotic nonsense, but why bother ??

[FORD]

I could answer that lame collection of idiotic nonsense, but why bother ??

Pretty much how I feel about most of Jerksmear's posts.

[ELVIS]

I never have.

I blame Barry for his weak ass cabinet choices.

I blame the false "Democrats" in the Senate and the House for the rest.

The only honest politician we've seen rise close to the top in our lifetime is Ron Paul, but you cry that he want's to just end all regulation (as Romney would say) "on day one!"

And you know that wouldn't happen and Paul doesn't want to end all regulation anyway...

But they're mostly all false, or at least a large number are...

I was trying to think of another politician I liked off the top of my head, but I can't...

Bobby Jindal Probably and Gary Johnson maybe...

I still don't know much about him...

[FORD]

The only honest politician we've seen rise close to the top in our lifetime is Ron Paul, but you cry that he want's to just end all regulation (as Romney would say) "on day one!"

And you know that wouldn't happen and Paul doesn't want to end all regulation anyway...

But they're mostly all false, or at least a large number are...

I was trying to think of another politician I liked off the top of my head, but I can't...

Bobby Jindal Probably and Gary Johnson maybe...

I still don't know much about him...

Howard Dean
Dennis Kucinich
Bernie Sanders
Rocky Anderson
Jill Stein

[hambon4lif]

It would also be true then that you cannot exclusively blame the President, correct?

Not when he's gone up against THEE most obstructive Congress that we've ever seen in our lifetime.

(Please don't send this post to John Boner...he's so loaded up on estrogen that he just waits for reasons to cry...the typical 3-Martini-lunch drunk)

[motherchicken]

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy FACT. It was the original "October Surprise". A BCE team flew to Paris before the election and cut a deal with the Ayatollah's goons, who were planning to end the embassy bullshit while Carter was still President. But Poppy and Bill Casey talked them out of it.

I'll bet when you were a little boy and accidently broke something you told your mommy "It wasn't me mommy, it was the BCE, they're trying to frame me for it to discredit my character because they know I'm on to them".

[motherchicken]

Oh fucking, please:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_ho...crisis#Release

Wikipedia? Are you fucking kidding me? Any other time and you'd be saying wikipedia is an unreliable source.