The Big Dawg.

[DavidLeeNatra]

natra, if you're googling anything you won't get the truth. If you wants facts to support your position by all means google. Don't rely on c-span archives or on newspapers.

Bush 41 and Clinton both got the benefit of the Reagan policies in the out years. That's how good he was as President. It only took 20 years to screw up Reagan. Reagan is even at odds with the Tea Party.

Which means he was doing something right.

no, I don't google, I use a large variety of sources. I just didn't want to make it that difficult for Brian. Reagan was not good as a president if it comes to the economy. find me one expert who will say that his way of leading the national debt to record heights was a good way. the so called success of Ronald Reagan is nothing but a myth. he "won" the cold war, that's why he is still concidered a "great" president. but he "won" it for a high prize.

[FORD]

Congress has sent him a Budget every year e's been in office. He won't sign. He won't play ball with Congress, which even Clinton had to do (The Republican controlled jerked his ass back to reality on some of his proposed spending).

Even the Democrats voted against Barry's latest Budget proposal.

The "budgets" never even get to his desk, because they don't pass the Senate.

Why? Because it's Eddie Munster's Atlas Crapped Randtard Medicare Killing horseshit.

[FORD]

no, I don't google, I use a large variety of sources. I just didn't want to make it that difficult for Brian. Reagan was not good as a president if it comes to the economy. find me one expert who will say that his way of leading the national debt to record heights was a good way. the so called success of Ronald Reagan is nothing but a myth. he "won" the cold war, that's why he is still concidered a "great" president. but he "won" it for a high prize.

Reagan didn't win the cold war either. Ironically, if you were going to credit any one person for it, it would probably be Osama Bin Laden, since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is what finally broke them. Reality is though that the USSR was toast long before that and the BCE/CIA knew it. Cheney and Rummy stated it for a fact in 1975 when they were working for official BCE cleanup guy Jerry Ford (no relation). Ironic that Afghanistan should also play a large part in the destruction of the US as well. At the time, they called it "Russia's Vietnam". Now our own pointless and illegal invasion has actually lasted longer than our pointless and illegal invasion of Vietnam did.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Reagan didn't win the cold war either. Ironically, if you were going to credit any one person for it, it would probably be Osama Bin Laden, since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is what finally broke them. Reality is though that the USSR was toast long before that and the BCE/CIA knew it. Cheney and Rummy stated it for a fact in 1975 when they were working for official BCE cleanup guy Jerry Ford (no relation). Ironic that Afghanistan should also play a large part in the destruction of the US as well. At the time, they called it "Russia's Vietnam". Now our own pointless and illegal invasion has actually lasted longer than our pointless and illegal invasion of Vietnam did.

then let me say the breakdown of the USSR happened at the right time for Reagan. just like the wall came down in time for chancellor Kohl in Germany who was facing his political knock out. Afghanistan wasn't enough to ruin the SU but Reagan was chasing them with his plans to bring the cruise missiles to Europe. Isn't it funny that Reagan dedicated the first flight of a space shuttle to the taliban?

[FORD]

Did you ever see the movie "Rambo III"?

That's the one where the Afghan terrorists are the "good guys", and the dedication at the end of the film says, "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan".

Oddly enough, it doesn't get much airtime on US cable anymore. Unlike "First Blood" and "Rambo II", which are still on all the time. I'm guessing it's because of what those "brave Mujahadeen fighters" allegedly did in 2001.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Did you ever see the movie "Rambo III"?

That's the one where the Afghan terrorists are the "good guys", and the dedication at the end of the film says, "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan".

Oddly enough, it doesn't get much airtime on US cable anymore. Unlike "First Blood" and "Rambo II", which are still on all the time. I'm guessing it's because of what those "brave Mujahadeen fighters" allegedly did in 2001.

sure...and this is one of the biggest jokes in history...

[knuckleboner]

Not exclusively, though the POTUS has to sign the Bill into Law. Let's see what Barry has signed recently.

Oh that's right, it's been over three years since we had a Budget.

dude, the budget is NEVER signed by the president. it's actually a concurrent resolution, which means the president couldn't sign it even if he wanted to. that's because the "budget" is actually completely unnecessary and more or less a PR piece. the REAL budget is the appropriations bills. which congress has to pass and send to the president (where obama has NEVER failed to sign one.) but congress has certainly failed to pass some. in fact, it's probably been decades since congress has actually passed all 12 appropriations bills in the proper time.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Did you ever see the movie "Rambo III"?

That's the one where the Afghan terrorists are the "good guys", and the dedication at the end of the film says, "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan".

Oddly enough, it doesn't get much airtime on US cable anymore. Unlike "First Blood" and "Rambo II", which are still on all the time. I'm guessing it's because of what those "brave Mujahadeen fighters" allegedly did in 2001.

Just watched it like two days ago.....

[DavidLeeNatra]

dude, the budget is NEVER signed by the president. it's actually a concurrent resolution, which means the president couldn't sign it even if he wanted to. that's because the "budget" is actually completely unnecessary and more or less a PR piece. the REAL budget is the appropriations bills. which congress has to pass and send to the president (where obama has NEVER failed to sign one.) but congress has certainly failed to pass some. in fact, it's probably been decades since congress has actually passed all 12 appropriations bills in the proper time.

I guess, Brian will call this nonsense and you a nazi...don't bother he won't understand it because he refuses to...

[jacksmar]

no, I don't google, I use a large variety of sources. I just didn't want to make it that difficult for Brian. Reagan was not good as a president if it comes to the economy. find me one expert who will say that his way of leading the national debt to record heights was a good way. the so called success of Ronald Reagan is nothing but a myth. he "won" the cold war, that's why he is still concidered a "great" president. but he "won" it for a high prize.

The deficit under Ronald Reagan increased to 35% and it was inherited deficit from President Jimmy Carter. It was $104 billion in 1980. His final deficit was $141 billion in 1989. The deficit went up to $236 billion in 1983.

The cause of all deficits is spending and under Obama spending is completely out-of-control. It doesn't matter what he inherited he didn't stop the spending.

Which simply means if he's against Bush deficit spending , hates what he inherited, and blames Bush for his deficit problems, why would he continue more of the same?

[jhale667]

[FORD]

The deficit under Ronald Reagan increased to 35% and it was inherited deficit from President Jimmy Carter. It was $104 billion in 1980. His final deficit was $141 billion in 1989. The deficit went up to $236 billion in 1983.

...right after Reagan's tax "cuts" for tax dodging millionaires.

Now senile old Ronnie, being an ancient white guy, probably never listened to much Billy Preston, or he would have realized that Nothing from Nothing leaves nothing.

But Ronnie (or Poppy Bush, in reality, since absent minded Jelly Bean really didn't do much) didn't settle for nothing. He "returned" money to people who dodged taxes. And that leaves you with negative numbers......

[DavidLeeNatra]

...right after Reagan's tax "cuts" for tax dodging millionaires.

Now senile old Ronnie, being an ancient white guy, probably never listened to much Billy Preston, or he would have realized that Nothing from Nothing leaves nothing.

But Ronnie (or Poppy Bush, in reality, since absent minded Jelly Bean really didn't do much) didn't settle for nothing. He "returned" money to people who dodged taxes. And that leaves you with negative numbers......

simple as that...

[Nickdfresh]

Wikipedia? Are you fucking kidding me? Any other time and you'd be saying wikipedia is an unreliable source.

Find one post where I say that, retard...

[Nickdfresh]

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Bush 41 and Clinton both got the benefit of the Reagan policies in the out years. That's how good he was as President....

...

You mean like the recession slowly beginning at the end of his presidency that struck full bore for Bush? Really? Maybe if you actually wiped the GOP sperm off your chin and stopped the mindless bantering, you'd fucking not look like such a cliche stooge...

Causes
GDP growth (at annualized rates) in the United States from 1989-1992 reveals the 1990-91 downturn.
Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product (annualized; seasonally adjusted); Average GDP growth 1970–2009

On Black Monday of October 1987 a stock collapse of unprecedented size caused the Dow Jones Industrial Average to fall by 22.6%. This collapse, larger than that of 1929, was handled well by the economy, and the stock market began to quickly recover. However, in North America, the lumbering savings and loans industry was beginning to collapse, leading to a savings and loan crisis which put the financial wellbeing of millions of Americans in jeopardy.

The panic that followed led to a sharp recession through financial contagion, that hit hardest those countries most closely linked to the United States, including Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. The economies of much of Europe and Japan were hurt, but not as badly. The US economy continued to grow as a whole, although certain sectors of the market such as energy and real estate slumped.

The first burst of the recession was short-lived, as fervent pre-election activity by the governments of the United States and Canada created what many economists at the time saw as an economic miracle: a growing consumer confidence and increased consumer spending almost single-handedly lifted the North American economy out of recession.

It soon turned out that the quick recovery was illusory, and by 1990, economic malaise had returned with the beginning of the Gulf War and the resulting 1990 spike in the price of oil, which increased inflation but to less of a degree as the oil crisis ten years earlier. Nevertheless, for the next several years high unemployment, massive government budgetary deficits, and slow Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth affected the United States until late 1992 and Canada until 1995.

The rest of the world was less affected by the downturn; Germany and Japan both grew rapidly. Some pundits guessed that this would be a permanent state of affairs and that both the German and Japanese economies would grow to be larger than the American one.

Like all recessions, the one of the late 1980s and early 1990s had a profound impact on society. Rates of alcoholism and drug abuse increased, as did rates of depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1990s_recession#Causes