Bush Admin/Neocons Ignored Continued Warnings of 9/11 Attacks

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yay religion !!!

[FORD]

Just think if the entire Middle east were Atheists.........

They would probably just find something else to fight about.....

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[Nickdfresh]

Jeezuz....lol....no offense, but some of you people are delusional with Liberal beliefs....and that's not coming from a right wing conservative jackoff. Again, do you blame israel for having all that? Oh....poor Iran.....leave them alone.....they're innocent.....um hello.....it's IRAN......granted we fucked up the whole scenario in Iran years ago which paved the way for fundamentalism and good old Ronnie played both sides of the fence with them a million times over. I don't know....maybe I'm a little biased having seen one of my little league teammates when I was a kid break down and cry when he told me how his Marine brother was killed during the hostage crisis. No shit....Israel is definitely not an innocent, can do no wrong entity but if it were you and I living there you damn well better believe we would want our government to protect us.

I'm not "blaming Israel," I'm just stating simple facts. Our foreign policy should not be decided by, and catered too, a small little country in the Middle East cut out of the post-colonial receding British Empire. I'm also tired of jerkoffs like NuttyYahoo panicking and howling over Iranian nukes when his country has a decisive military advantage in nearly every category...

[FORD]

I'm not "blaming Israel," I'm just stating simple facts. Our foreign policy should not be decided by, and catered too, a small little country in the Middle East cut out of the post-colonial receding British Empire. I'm also tired of jerkoffs like NuttyYahoo panicking and howling over Iranian nukes when his country has a decisive military advantage in nearly every category...

Exactly......

If NuttyYahoo were a paranoid Muslim fanatic, he would have already sufferred a "regime change". If he were a paranoid "Christian" fanatic he would have his own TV show on CBN and speak at Repuke conventions, but be generally despised by the rest of the planet. (see Pat Robertson thread).

But since he happens to be the paranoid Jewish fanatic in charge of Israel, we're expected to support him. Fuck that, and fuck the Likud party in general. They're more of a threat to any chance of peace in the Middle East than Ahmadinnerjacket or any other Arab wackjob, with the possible execption of Pakistan, who also have nukes.

Most Israelis and most American Jews don't agree with the Likudist horseshit, so I'll be damned if I know how they keep getting elected. They don't even use Diebold machines over there, that I know of. Well, actually NuttyYahoo's party LOST the last election, but it's one of those Parliamentary things where he got enough of the fringe parties and the "centrist" Kadima (which is even less "centrist" than the DLC is in the US) to side with him, and they threw him in as PM because he already had the job before.

[Nitro Express]

I'm not "blaming Israel," I'm just stating simple facts. Our foreign policy should not be decided by, and catered too, a small little country in the Middle East cut out of the post-colonial receding British Empire. I'm also tired of jerkoffs like NuttyYahoo panicking and howling over Iranian nukes when his country has a decisive military advantage in nearly every category...

Nutty Yahoo always needs a bully. Israel always needs a threat because if they can't keep the American public convinced they are always the underdog, the people here will demand that our politicians stop sending them the billions of dollars we do each year. Follow the money. Ron Paul is the only politician that said Israel is a modern industrialized country, they don't need our money. He got booed off his ass when he said it.

[Nitro Express]

Exactly......

If NuttyYahoo were a paranoid Muslim fanatic, he would have already sufferred a "regime change". If he were a paranoid "Christian" fanatic he would have his own TV show on CBN and speak at Repuke conventions, but be generally despised by the rest of the planet. (see Pat Robertson thread).

But since he happens to be the paranoid Jewish fanatic in charge of Israel, we're expected to support him. Fuck that, and fuck the Likud party in general. They're more of a threat to any chance of peace in the Middle East than Ahmadinnerjacket or any other Arab wackjob, with the possible execption of Pakistan, who also have nukes.

Most Israelis and most American Jews don't agree with the Likudist horseshit, so I'll be damned if I know how they keep getting elected. They don't even use Diebold machines over there, that I know of. Well, actually NuttyYahoo's party LOST the last election, but it's one of those Parliamentary things where he got enough of the fringe parties and the "centrist" Kadima (which is even less "centrist" than the DLC is in the US) to side with him, and they threw him in as PM because he already had the job before.

Because enough people in Israel think a thug like Nutty Boo Boo will keep them safe. In the short-term he will. The problem is in the long-term Israel is toast and it's for one simple reason. The Palastinians are having way more children than the jews are. The muslims will take the land back over in the future just simply because they get their women pregnant more. Brigham Young knew a long time ago if you want to control a piece of real estate, create a lot of off spring. It's old Mormon strategy. Plus, it's easier to keep brainwashed children in the church than to gain converts. Where did this strategy come from? The middle east.

The reason there even is a Mormon church anymore is because of Brigham Young. Joseph Smith would have ended up destroying it. What saved the church was Joseph getting shot and then the brilliant, mastermind Brigham Young took over got it out into isolation in the west and started making babies as fast as he could. He had a huge population that would do whatever he said. If Nutty Boo Boo wants Israel to survive he better get a few more wives and start fucking like there is no tomorrow.

Polygamy is actually a weapon.

What's funny is Joseph Smith's oldest son accused Brigham Young being responsible for knocking off his dad.

[fourthcoming]

If you can't feed all of your children I don't know how much of a weapon it can be....although I am not completely disagreeing with you by any means. Always strength in numbers.....then again, China isn't a superpower because they have a zillion people....1 plus 1 doesnt always equal 2. I do think your right though. Eventually.....maybe we won't be around for it....but Israel may cease to exist. Not saying I'm rooting for that to happen....just think you may be somewhat correct.

[Hardrock69]

Wonder what would happen if the US changed it's foreign policy and told Israel it was supporting Saudi Arabia from now on.
As if we were not already, lol.

But it would be interesting to see what Israel had to say if we told them to go fuck themselves.

[fourthcoming]

Our foreign policy should not be decided by, and catered too, a small little country in the Middle East cut out of the post-colonial receding British Empire.

couldn't agree more. Then again, I'm the guy who was slammed recently for posting that there are plenty of people out there who feel our country is and always has been run by centuries old WASP money from the U.K.

[Nitro Express]

If you can't feed all of your children I don't know how much of a weapon it can be....although I am not completely disagreeing with you by any means. Always strength in numbers.....then again, China isn't a superpower because they have a zillion people....1 plus 1 doesnt always equal 2. I do think your right though. Eventually.....maybe we won't be around for it....but Israel may cease to exist. Not saying I'm rooting for that to happen....just think you may be somewhat correct.

In this country I have personally witnessed mountains of gain being destroyed so it doesn't go on the open market. It's to keep the prices up. We can technologically feed the world. The problems are political. Some people want to keep others starving because that's how you control them. A lot of this scarcity that is talked about is a lie or the scarcity is fabricated on purpose. Some people want war and famine and create it.

[FORD]

Wonder what would happen if the US changed it's foreign policy and told Israel it was supporting Saudi Arabia from now on.
As if we were not already, lol.

But it would be interesting to see what Israel had to say if we told them to go fuck themselves.

Thing is, I don't think Israel and the Saudis really have much against each other, at least not officially. Of course that's mostly due to their mutual hatred of Iran and the fact that the US is covering both of their asses.

If you took that away, Allah only knows what would happen.

[Nitro Express]

Wonder what would happen if the US changed it's foreign policy and told Israel it was supporting Saudi Arabia from now on.
As if we were not already, lol.

But it would be interesting to see what Israel had to say if we told them to go fuck themselves.

Eisenhower basically did. Israel, France, and Britain invaded Egypt. Ike told them to get the fuck out. Israel then infiltrated our politics here to make sure the US president would always be on their side. The only US politician I have seen that has openly said we should stop sending Israel money was Ron Paul. He got booed for it and don't think Israel is not one big reason that guy had no chance of getting a presidential nomination.

Israel knows that a nation's foreign policy is a derivative of it's domestic policy. That's why AIPAC has gotten so cozy with the christians here. The Mormon church was getting flack for building it's BYU center on the mount of olives in Jerusalem. The orthodox jews were having a tizzy fit. But the government was totally comendating. If you are a christian the mayor of Jerusalem and Netanyahu will treat you first class. In fact the people who treated me the worst in Israel were the far right jews but then they are just as bad as the far right muslims. They hate each other because they are exactly the same.

I'm just saying the politicians in Israel damn well know, to keep the US money flowing they have to influence our domestic policy and once they influence that the foreign policy follows.

I mean now the Israelis carry M4 carbines. They make their own weapons. They have the Gailil rifle. I asked why they aren't using their own stuff and they said the US gave the guns to them so it's cheaper to use those than to use their own. They take the gailil out on desert patrol since they are more reliable and jam proof in the sand but for patroling more urban areas they have M4's.

[FORD]

And let's not forget that the intention of PNAC (who are now advising Mittens) is to redraw the ENTIRE middle east region to suit their purposes, and those of the energy corporations.....

[fourthcoming]

In this country I have personally witnessed mountains of gain being destroyed so it doesn't go on the open market. It's to keep the prices up. We can technologically feed the world. The problems are political. Some people want to keep others starving because that's how you control them. A lot of this scarcity that is talked about is a lie or the scarcity is fabricated on purpose. Some people want war and famine and create it.

Your absolutely right but why should The U.S. Government worry about feeding the world when we have our own citizens to starve? Like you said....some people want war and famine and create it.

[clarathecarrot]

Yay religion !!!

What else is there to fight over or for.



Certainly not the dead mutilated gang raped assholes of a group of your countries representatives.

Perhaps 911 isn't enough perhaps the Lybian Ambassador isn't enough.

Humans getting killed is not enough..starvation and subjigation not enough..Rwanda not enough...

Perhaps religion is just exactly enough.

WAR!! over whos banging what pussy..?...No.

Oil...No.

But Mohammed against Yahweh I'm Down in a second.

Perhaps our leader of change obama, will kiss some ass coming up soon or lower the boom..?