Romney's Latest Bold-Face Lie

[twonabomber]

from the Toledo Blade:

Company says it will not move production out of North America
BLADE STAFF

Chrysler is strongly denying a report the company was considering moving all of its Jeep production to China.

The company has not been shy about wanting to build Jeeps in China, but Chrysler says it won’t quit building them in the United States.

“Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China,” Gualberto Ranieri, the company’s senior vice president for corporate communications, wrote Thursday in a blog posted on Chrysler’s Web site.

“It is simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market.”

Bloomberg reported earlier this week that Fiat SpA, the majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, was in talks with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co., about making Jeeps in China. Jeeps were built in China from 1983-2009.

Bloomberg quoted Mike Manley, who is president and CEO of the Jeep brand as well as the chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia.

“The volume opportunity for us [in China] is very significant,” Mr. Manley was quoted as saying.

“We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Mr. Ranieri said in his blog that some people misinterpreted the Bloomberg story.

“Despite clear and accurate reporting, the take has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America ... . It is a leap that would be difficult even for circus acrobats.”

The Washington Examiner, a conservative newspaper distributed in the D.C. area, was among the media that picked up on the Bloomberg report.

“In another potential blow for the President’s Ohio re-election campaign, Jeep, the rugged brand President Obama once said symbolized American freedom, is considering giving up on the United States and shifting production to China,” the Examiner wrote.

“Such a move would crash the economy in towns like Toledo, Ohio, where Jeeps are made and supplied, and rob the community of the economic security they thought Obama’s auto bailout assured them.”

Chrysler last year announced a $500 million investment to expand and modernize part of the Toledo Assembly Complex.

The planned expansion will add about 1,100 jobs, putting total plant employment at about 3,000.

The Toledo plant builds the Jeep Wrangler and, starting next year, will build an as-yet-unnamed vehicle that will replace the Liberty in Jeep’s lineup.

International sales for Chrysler climbed 22 percent to 153,154 this year through September, according to the company.

The Jeep brand accounted for more than three-quarters of those deliveries.

Jeep sold 22,294 vehicles in China last year, an 81 percent increase over 2010.

[Kristy]

Ed Schultz isn't exactly a legitimate journalist. Try again.

At least he originally writes what he says. Most of the time.

[Nickdfresh]

Moving To China

LINK
Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises
By Craig Trudell - Oct 22, 2012 11:10 AM ET
SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.
Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.
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The bodies of 2012 Jeep Compass and 2012 Jeep Patriot sports utility vechicles (SUV) move along the assembly line at the Chrysler Group LLC assembly plant in Belvidere, Illinois. Photographer: Daniel Acker/Bloomberg
“The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler’s Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”
Chrysler, which entered an alliance with Turin, Italy-based Fiat as part of its U.S. government-backed bankruptcy, is relying on growth in China to counter weakness in Europe’s auto market. The automaker is targeting 500,000 annual sales outside North America by 2014, more than triple its overseas deliveries in 2009.
Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.
Asia’s Strength
International sales for Chrysler climbed 22 percent to 153,154 this year through September, according to the company. The Jeep brand accounted for more than three of every four of those deliveries, with sales surging 54 percent to 117,189.
“We’ve grown much stronger in Asia to make up or compensate for some of the difficulties in Europe,” Manley said. Europe will be in “very difficult, tough times” through at least 2013, he said.
Boosted by strong demand for the Grand Cherokee and Compass sport-utility vehicles, Jeep sales in China have more than doubled to 33,463 this year through September. The brand topped total deliveries for all of 2011 by July of this year.
Chrysler’s 2014 international sales target is “certainly within reach,” Manley said. The European auto market is on track to plunge in 2012 by the most in 19 years, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association.
“Given what we see around the world, it is stretching for sure, but it’s not something we’ve given up on,” he said.
Fiat and Guangzhou’s plant in Changsha in central China has initial annual capacity of 140,000 cars and is capable of eventually assembling 500,000 vehicles per year. The automakers will add production of a new vehicle to the factory roughly every 12 months and began building the Fiat Viaggio compact there in June.

To contact the reporters on this story: Craig Trudell in Southfield, Michigan, at ctrudell1@bloomberg.net.
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Jamie Butters at jbutters@bloomberg.net

So basically they're selling so many Jeeps in the Far East that they have to set up production there? Awesome...

[Kristy]

The U.S. auto industry is it's own worst enemy in that it's frozen in time and will never keep up with corporate evolution.

Detroit still seems to be stuck in its muscle car heyday of the late 1960s-early 70's even when the consumer culture was changing to imports and more economic vehicles which where largely Japanese. This is because the Japanese listened to the American consumer and built them a car that was dependable, economical and cheap to own in terms of maintainence. Even some 40 years later Detroit still hasn't gotten the picture and only now are starting to change but it is one S-L-O-W process.

I'm not sure what the import to Detroit ratio is in terms of car sales but my guess is that it's slightly higher. This is due to the culture changing once again. People still long for cars that are dependable, etc but want them to be "cute" as well. Wonder why Volkswagon is selling so much of their crap? It's not that the engineering is better (their engines are for the most part made in India) but because they know how to market to hipsters, low-income families and in tremendous debt college grads. Ford, GM cater to rednecks and yuppies without a clue as to how their targeted demographic thinks. That whole RAM Cummings diesel power turbo whatever sounds more like a lame sex toy than a god damn truck. Hey, I'm sure that was wonderful back in the 70's but it's 2012. No one in their right mind is going to buy one for personal use if gas prices continue to rise.

I myself drive a 2004 Mercedes (pile of crap) but I'd still take it over anything Detroit kicks out today. I would never buy an American car that has been made in the past 20 years - eh, make that 40 years. This is not due to me thinking most imports are better but because Detroit is still living in 1972-ish.

[Nickdfresh]

Moving to Italy or China, American workers are getting screwed courtesy of Barack Hussein Obama and his wonderful bail-outs.

Yeah, those poor dumb saps could have been unemployed and working at Wal-Mart if it weren't for that bastard Obama! Obama, YOU BASTARD!

Remember Brie, "freedom is slavery"...

[Kristy]

Moving to Italy or China, American workers are getting screwed courtesy of Barack Hussein Obama and his wonderful bail-outs.

If only you paid attention in class.

[jacksmar]

"I myself drive a 2004 Mercedes"

I'll bet your 2004 Mercedes is a lot nicer than you let on.

AWD? E Class?

[ELVIS]

At least he originally writes what he says. Most of the time.

Says who, you ??

[twonabomber]

So basically they're selling so many Jeeps in the Far East that they have to set up production there? Awesome...

I think it's cheaper to build them there due to the tariffs on cars built outside of China and brought into the country. Could be wrong though.

[FORD]

I think it's cheaper to build them there due to the tariffs on cars built outside of China and brought into the country. Could be wrong though.

Yep that's the reason. China actually is smart enough NOT to let their markets be flooded with foreign made products. And that's far more ironic than rain on anybody's wedding day, or flies in the Chardonnay, or any of that shit that whiny ex kid show TV star Canadians might sing about.

[Nickdfresh]

I think it's cheaper to build them there due to the tariffs on cars built outside of China and brought into the country. Could be wrong though.

You're correct, GM has been building cars there for years for that reason...

[Nickdfresh]

Buick is one of the hottest cars in China, and I think at least some of the models are different than here. Of course, no one complains that the Buick Regal is basically an Opel. Or that Ford has simply brought their long renowned Euro lineup of small cars over to the U.S. like the Fiesta, Focus, and the new Fusion (which is now the same as the legendary Mondeo) instead of making shitty equivalents like the Tempo (drove one in the Army, God that was awful --it was great in the snow though)...

[Hardrock69]

Haha Mittens Has Now Pissed Off The UAW & The Big 3...Repeating Lies About Jeep Jobs

Saw this on ABC Evening News wif Plastic Diane this evening......the Republicans are running an ad where they claim Obama and the automakers are going to ship jobs at the Jeep factory to China.....and get this.....it is a repeat of an already debunked lie!

The auto manufacturers are pissed off like 10 motherfuckers, and the UAW has seen a massive surge in a single question from their membership: "Is what the ad says true?"

The Big 3 angrily denied that any plans are afoot to do that, and even I must admit they are not THAT stupid......and the UAW is angry because their membership are worried about their job stability (naturally).

In the meantime I find it both hilarious and disgusting that this has happened.

It is one thing to use negative press to slam your opponent in the POTUS campaign.......but in times like these the public at large does not need to hear any news that might make them think their jobs are endangered (unless it is true, but the Big 3 say no, so.........but I digress).

Mitten's Moron's (those who work FOR him, and those who are FUNDING him) have once again, shot themselves in the foot.

Remember when I said you could not write a movie like this if you tried?

Christ.......

Ugh...just had a TV ad on one of the local stations (am watching the 6 o'clock News at 9:15 PM) slamming the unions, painting them as corporatations' evil henchmen, and trying to tie them to Obama.....local ad, that is....but just as stupid as any other pronouncements from Republican fools.....

So....back to the subject at hand.....I lost track of what number this event is in the Republican Self-Defeat 2012 schedule is.....I mean in some other previous thread I listed what, half a dozen things or more that they had done in the last few months to ensure the Republicans lose.....and now this.

The Retardlicans just lost a lot of votes from auto workers and their families.....


Here we go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/mitt-romney-jeep-ad_n_2044465.html

WASHINGTON -- Unbowed by a barrage of criticism and fact checks over its ad insinuating that Chrysler is moving Jeep production to China, the Mitt Romney campaign has released a new radio ad making the same debunked claim.

The ad, which was flagged by a Democratic source, is running in Ohio's Toledo and Dayton markets. The Romney campaign has spent a total of $224,000 in both markets this week.

The script is as follows:

Barack Obama says he saved the auto industry. But for who? Ohio or China?

Under President Obama, GM cut 15,000 American jobs, but they are planning to double the number of cars built in China, which means 15,000 more jobs for China. And now comes word that Chrysler plans to start making Jeeps in, you guessed it, China.

What happened to the promises made to autoworkers in Toledo and throughout Ohio? The same hard-working men and women who were told that Obama’s auto bailout would help them?

Mitt Romney grew up in the Auto Industry. Maybe that’s why the Detroit News endorsed him, saying, ‘Romney understands the industry and will shield it from regulators who never tire of churning out new layers of mandates.

Mitt Romney – he’ll stand up for the auto industry. In Ohio, not China.

A fair reading of the script suggests that the new attack is even more misleading than the ad that the Romney campaign has already aired. Chrysler is thinking of building cars in China, but only for purposes of expanding into the market there. The company's CEO has vehemently denied that any American jobs are being outsourced.

The Romney campaign has repeatedly declined to defend the ad on the record. On background, aides have noted slight technicalities in the language in order to argue that nothing in the ad is factually incorrect. But in essence, the campaign is playing off the fears of voters to try to win a crucial state.

This is just one more demonstration of how Mittens is so desperate he has to resort to fear-mongering on an epic scale.......

"O NOES! VOTES FO' ROMNEY OR DE SKY IS FALLING DE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!"

Why not just go all out and claim that Obama is a genetic creation of Nazi scientists who is bent on making Satanism a national religion with yearly National Sacrificial Celebrations across the country where babies or thrown into fires, dogs and kitties have their brains bashed out on rocks, or vice-versa....all in the name of Satan....

Oh....wait...the Republican voters and political action committees are already doing that.

Oh well.


There have been several plateaus reached by the Republican Party in the 2012 elections........heights of stupidity never imagined....yet only dreamed of.....the HIGHEST stupidity!!!!!

And each time I think I have seen more stupidity defecated unto the Republican voters, Romney and his Kast of Klowns have shockingly been able to supersede the previous record-breaking level of idiocy.....taking their foolishness to new and unprecedented levels of crazy.

What next?

Next thing you know, there will be a leak of a gay sex-tape showing Mittens and Paul with a table full of hundred dollar bills, reefer, blow, and pills.....and you know....even if such a thing actually occurred....the Romney campaign would not care, as they are counting on the ignorance of the Republican Voters........they obviously think their constituency is SO FUCKING IGNORANT that they can do or say just about anything, and the unwashed masses will still droolingly vote for them.....

Wow.

2012.....

"May you live in interesting times...."

[Nickdfresh]

Um, don't we already have a thread on this?

[Hardrock69]

Not that I could see....though Jacksmar posted some stuff about some OTHER campaign ads.....