A question for those who voted FOR Obama

[SilvioDante]

Nobody is going to fix shit. Your money is going to buy less. Small businesses will go out of business. The government will run up debt and taxes like you have never seen before and print money like it never has before. The fat cats in charge know this is not sustainable but Bernanke buys time. When it all hits the wall it ain't going to be pretty and there is nothing Obama or the congress can do about it. They will live their pampered lives for a bit more but even for them, things will turn as a gullible public feels the pain and the love fest ends. Grab a life boat while you can folks. The wad is shot.

This is the answer I was looking for.

[Nitro Express]

I won't say who I voted for... but I will say this year I covered just about every party affiliation available on the ballot. Not all of my choice won... but I didn't feel stupid or just make a guess when I punched the ballot.

I never voted the party line ever. I always believed party politics never served the American people well. I always got a sample ballot and saw who was running and then did my research on each candidate. In our local elections I voted for mostly Democrat candidates. Not that I like the Democrat party but they were the best people on the ballot according to my research. Also if more people voted like that we would be harder to figure out and control. What people don't realize is you become easier to control the more consolidated you are. I always believed the more candidates that have a chance at winning the better. Why do we only have two choices for US President? Because we have allowed the big money to take over. Now they spend billions of presidential elections. Unreal.

[Dr. Love]

If that's true, then why has the largest round of tax cuts in U.S. history precede one of its worst recessions?

Too much spending

Too much war

Too much manipulation by the Federal Reserve

Too little regulation on Wall Street (I don't like all regulation but there needs to be some)

Too little accountability

[Nitro Express]

This is the answer I was looking for.

It's going to have to hit rock bottom and it will. Where it goes from there I have no idea. I mean right now, you would be better off living in Brazil than the US and I'm not kidding. I always thought self-government was a great concept but it's work. It's a lot of work and the American people have become too dumb and lazy to make that system work any longer. Because we did have a good self-government system, it attracted some of the world's hardest working and smart people. It's why most our ancestors migrated here. They were stuck in a cast system with limited opportunities. It built the highest standard of living in world history and I was lucky enough to see the tail end of that and unlucky enough to see it fade away. Why in the hell do you want to live in a country where if you work, you just get saddled with a huge tax bill and there no longer is any more gusto to improve anything? Oh well history is full of great civilization that hit the skids. This one will follow the same path. I've written it off. People just don't know what they have here anymore.

As far as religion goes the one asset with many religious people is they work hard. Maybe what they believe in is silly but at least they have some kind of focus. The Jews believed Palestine was the promised land and they took some of the most worthless land on the planet and made it productive. The Mormons were the same way. They rolled into Utah and made something out of it. If it proves anything, it's if you believe you can, you usually can. Where's the "Yes We Can?" Attitude in this country anymore? I know Obama used that as a campaign slogan and it's a good one. Even if Barrack was the greatest guy on the planet look at what he has to work with. He kind of gave a "Get Your Ass To Work" speech last night. The thing is, he doesn't understand reality. He's as lost as Joe Public is. I don't even think he knew what was in that healthcare plan. He towed the party line and the insurance companies took full advantage. Has their premiums gone down? No. Do we have a social medial program? No. This new program is actually stealing from Medicare. So the healthcare problem is actually worse. At least in the past, if you couldn't afford the health insurance the government didn't penalize you for it. Also, the money just isn't there to pay for all this. The people don't have the money and the government doesn't have the money. Nothing got fixed.

Now they are saying Smith & Wesson sales are up. Oh yeah, buy some ammunition and gun company stock. People are going to be buying that stuff in droves again. Exactly what they are going to do with it I have no idea. You have a failing government with a bunch of paranoid angry people. Welcome to the jungle folks.

[SilvioDante]

Thanks ZahZoo. That as good an answer as I'll get.

Just seems to me that we've reached a point where we vote to get stuff. Insurance, tax breaks, phones, whatever. They have us all by the short and curlies. "If you don't vote for me your not getting this. The other guy will personally destroy your life!"


Don't really see many people vote for what's good for the country, just who ever gives them things. And I do mean both sides.

[ZahZoo]

That's the problem... we're voting for individuals who are saying whatever it takes to get the job.

Once in the job... then the gamesmanship takes over.

If the American public woke up and paid attention this could change... real fast. Simple things like if a bill that makes sense is proposed and for example the the opposition decides to filibuster it. If people started flooding their senator or congressman's phone, e-mail, twitter, etc... Saying get off your ass and approve this now. Washington would wake up real quick... Unfortunately very few of us pay any attention to the day to day games going on. Even fewer speak up. So the elected folks just continue on...

[Nitro Express]

Too much spending

Too much war

Too much manipulation by the Federal Reserve

Too little regulation on Wall Street (I don't like all regulation but there needs to be some)

Too little accountability

Yup. The thing is the biggest employers are not necessarily the rich people. It's the small business owners. They are usually middle class to upper middle class. The current government policies are going to run those guys out of business with higher employment taxes, energy taxes and such. Then you are going to have a broke government with tens of millions of people looking to it for their lively hood. Ben Bernake can print more money to load up the welfare accounts but what is that going to buy? What kind of economy are you going to have? You have chased the productive people who refuse welfare out of the country. Are we going to have collective farming? Who's going to grow the food after the taxes, regulations, and overhead have ran the farmers out of business? Oh Monsanto probably will snatch them up and grow Round Up Ready GMO food where the mom and pop organic farms used to be.

[sadaist]

I voted for obama because I want pot legalized in my lifetime. I voted for him because I believe as a 2nd term president he will be able to unleash his full potential to make us all more free.

Romney would exploit the fearful to remove my freedoms.

I like drugs. I like porn. I like immorality. Pot is now decriminalized in two states and more to come! YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS!!! FREEDOM! I CAN TASTE IT!

Let's roll.

I agree with you in wanting more freedoms. But I think the party you are choosing is the party that is taking it from you. Telling you what foods you can eat, buy, what size, what you can send to school with your child for lunch, what type of car you can drive, when, where, how big your house should be, when you can run your AC, and on & on & on all under the guise of protecting you from you.


(I won't even get started on tobacco or alcohol)

not that I am saying the Republican party is the answer....it's not. But many people that are truly Libertarian have been tricked to believe they are either Repub or Democrat.

[Nitro Express]

Thanks ZahZoo. That as good an answer as I'll get.

Just seems to me that we've reached a point where we vote to get stuff. Insurance, tax breaks, phones, whatever. They have us all by the short and curlies. "If you don't vote for me your not getting this. The other guy will personally destroy your life!"


Don't really see many people vote for what's good for the country, just who ever gives them things. And I do mean both sides.

Exactly. We the People. The boss, went in the back room and whacked off and the hired help (the politicians) took over, stole our money, bankrupted us, and now they are playing the role of gangster. It's why giving the government unlimited power is never a good idea. I tried to explain over and over why you don't want to give a bunch of political crooks more power even if the end result they are selling sounds wonderful. Character matters and there isn't much of that in DC these days or even in your state government. Heck. Even the city council sucks. You can't trust politicians. Give em enough power to provide the basics and take care of yourself.

[Satan]

I have said if you can't win your home state you don't deserve to be president. Romney essentially lost 2 home states.

Actually three, considering he currently lives in California. But at least Utah voted for him.

[Nickdfresh]

Thanks ZahZoo. That as good an answer as I'll get.

Just seems to me that we've reached a point where we vote to get stuff. Insurance, tax breaks, phones, whatever. They have us all by the short and curlies. "If you don't vote for me your not getting this. The other guy will personally destroy your life!"


Don't really see many people vote for what's good for the country, just who ever gives them things. And I do mean both sides.

So you weren't actually interested in other peoples' views, you just wanted some answer to validate your views--from a notorious bullshiter no less...

[Nitro Express]

I agree with you in wanting more freedoms. But I think the party you are choosing is the party that is taking it from you. Telling you what foods you can eat, buy, what size, what you can send to school with your child for lunch, what type of car you can drive, when, where, how big your house should be, when you can run your AC, and on & on & on all under the guise of protecting you from you.


(I won't even get started on tobacco or alcohol)

not that I am saying the Republican party is the answer....it's not. But many people that are truly Libertarian have been tricked to believe they are either Repub or Democrat.

The answer is buying a Smith & Wesson and telling them to fuck off! It's the states that are legalizing pot. Not the federal government. Obummer has nothing to do with that. It's the feds who are going into states that have legal pot and are raiding the pot shops and harassing the business owners, even if they are not breaking any state laws.

[Nitro Express]

There's no political solution. The system is too corrupt. The country is heading for a tax revolt. Being as divided as it is, It's probably going to fly apart.

[Fairwrning]

I would like to go on record as a Virginian that did NOT vote for Obama..Didnt answer your question tho..sorry

[SilvioDante]

Nick, I AM interested in other peoples opinion. That's how you learn. If you watch Fox/MSNBC 24/7 you can never learn and understand the world around you. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't want to hear it. That at its core might be what's wrong with this country. You either agree with me or you should shut up or I'll shut you up.

I honestly want to understand why, with an unemployment rate at 8% when it was promised to be 5% by now, gas is double the price it was in 2008, on and on, why someone would vote for Obama. If it is Bush's fault, what has Obama done to correct it?

I honestly want to understand.