The Hurricane Insurance, WMD Fight Thread!

[Satan]

Chimpy thought Iraq had WMD's because he still had the receipts on file.....

[Nickdfresh]

Your post on this subject...
Toodaloo

BTW, what do your "Pentagon" sources think of your statements indicating that the Marine Corp is staffed by assholes but Blakkkwater is just great?

LOL Highly placed sources at the Pentagon...

[Nitro Express]

You're going to argue about insurance coverage and continue to argue about how insurance deals with hurricane damage. What’s interesting is that you have done NOTHING to disprove my point about how the insurance industry will make money in the short term and long term with Obamacare.

To prove my point I’ll be using Citizens in FL. Why do you think Citizens exist? Do you believe that the insurance industry is going to allow a governmental insurance company to compete with them a viable market where profits can be made? No, they wouldn’t and if you believe they would you truly have your head up your ass. They’d litigate that governmental insurance company out of existence. Citizens exist because it is beneficial to their bottom line. In fleeing the state they forced the State of FL to pass laws to set up Citizens to provide insurance at the taxpayer's expense. Are premiums paid to Citizens? Yes. However the State of FL and Federal Governments is on the hook if Citizens can’t cover all the losses of the insured. That means the taxpayer is on the hook not the insurance industry.

A beautiful model that the industry will follow when the profits from medical premiums go below what they want them to. They will move out of the healthcare market and only provide insurance in other areas. The single payer system will be born and taxpayers will be stuck with the bill. All thanks to the Democratic Party with some help of the lobbyist from the Insurance Industry that helped craft the bill that President Ego signed into law. It's the savers who run things. People who are in debt are owned. Debt is just another form of slavery.

I know that conceptualizing the above will be difficult for you. It is a theory that a middle school kid could understand. I hope that your shoe phone alarm from Wikipedia doesn’t go off while your attempting to understand the above. That would really overtax the limited brain functions you have shown throughout this discussion and might cause more factual errors on than already exist on their site.

Last but not least on your trailer comments…Here’s the home theater room in the house I'm sitting in and own.



Following values taught to me by my parents like – hard work, and getting an education allowed me to purchase a home that has the above within it.

Did your socialistic values of living for today, never saving, and the government will provide my cheese to me because I didn’t want to work hard in my lifetime allow you to afford that 350 sq. foot studio apartment you rent? It seems that it did. You’re in your 40’s and you don’t own anything of value and more than likely have one if not several bankruptcies in your lifetime. Dude, you're a pathetic loser by any standards. It’s becoming more and more apparent why you have no life, no family, no opportunity to date, and generally are unhappy with your life. I pity you.

Nice home theater. The best lesson I ever learned from my dad was to take 10% out of my paycheck and save it. Nothing will ever replace working hard, working smart, and saving at least 10% of what you make. If everyone did this the world would be a better place.

[baru911]

I'll remember how I have no life when I'm quite possibly seeing a hot 22-yr. bartender (hired for her looks) who laughs at chodes like you...

You’re advising/relaying that a female bartender was only hired for her looks and has nothing else as far as skills that she exhibited or did not exhibit to gain her position. Then in the same sentence you’re advising that you are going to sleep with her. Noting the fact that you have conveyed the fact that you are aware of the reasons she’s employed it wouldn’t be that far a reach to make the assumption that you either hired her or are in a position of power over her employment. Thus, you are not only misogynistic but you are also sexually harassing her.

It is funny that you apparently view/treat women the way that you have shown through the above statement and then use disparaging terms like “fag” or “faggot” when you address people through your post, i.e., Elvis, in the forum. You attempt to portray yourself as this high minded, big time, PROGRESSIVE thinker when in all actuality your actions and statements show you to be a misogynistic, homophobic, hate filled person. You’re really no different from the Klan members that burned a cross in my grandfather’s yard except they did not have computers to spread their hate around via the internet like you do.

You’re a person with whom I would not interact with in my life outside of this forum. I don’t interact with people who exhibit the hatred and narrow mindedness to others you so clearly have shown in your writings. When challenged you attempt to bully people and when that doesn’t work you resort to your true core beliefs and use hate filled names in an attempt to quiet their ideas. So it begs the question why am I interacting with you inside it? I’ve no idea. Thus, I chose to disengage from that interaction. From my viewpoint, when the veil that surrounds your true core is pierced there isn’t much within you that is redeeming.

I hope that you will someday find the peace that comes with a better understanding of people and you can gain from the insight that knowing and befriending people of different backgrounds cultures, and ideas.

[baru911]

So you're a highly materialistic Rethuglican who believes that wealth is equated with knowledge and personal gain. Is that it? It that what makes you a better person when really you're a pass-the-point spewing asshole? Quit throwing around terms like "socialistic living" in order to better your assholeness. In case you haven't noticed there are plenty of well educated, hard working individuals out there who have lost their jobs, homes and quality of life due to the shit you refuse to believe in what's going on in modern society. That's no wonder when you post from your ivory movie theater (where you probably have Pluto Nash on Blu Ray) where you can hide yourself away and think it's the 1950's outside your tinted windows.

Maybe mommy and daddy with their assholeness "values" paid for your education? So chances are high that you didn't work for what you have, either. But hey, it's soooooooooooooooooooooo easy to blame the poor, uneducated, less fortune individuals out there for fucking up your little warped Utopia of how the world should be. You rather spit on such people than help them to a better quality of life. Or is that socialist on my part? Either way, you should be pitied, not Nick.

LMAO, my daddy paid for my education? Nope - swing and a miss. I grew-up all over the planet and in 14 of the US States. I grew-up poor and I am a MINORITY. You know, I get to classify myself with a hyphen if I want to or have to due to Federal Law when filling out the Census. So, swing and a miss again. Does that mean in your world view I should be poor and vote a straight Dem Party ticket? WTF? I grew-up with parents that were open-minded, believed in God, Family, and the USA. It may be corny but those values are pretty good ones and oh, so 1950's. My parents backed Bobby Kennedy and Ronald Regan. I've seen good in Clinton and in Bush. I've also found them lacking. Sticking me our my parents in one key hole or another doesn't work. People are complex and don't fit into this or that. You can take the good from this side or that side, reject the bad from both, and they get a view-point that means something.

Back to what I was typing - Oh no, strike three! I am not a GOP member. I didn't vote for Mitt.

I'm a social liberal who happens to be very fiscally conservative. What's that mean? In short I could care less about people wanting to do drugs, or have an abortion. It is your body. Go for it. Just don't expect the society you live in to pick-up the tab when your stupid life choices don't go the way you wanted them to. I believe that unless you are handicapped, a veteran, and/or retired and want to receive welfare you should work 40 hours a week to receive those benefits. I saw first hand how that type of governmental program worked in Singapore. People did a honest days work for the pay the received. They got the pride that comes from being employed, and putting food on the table. The society they lived in benefited from their labor. A two way street that works! Immigration reform? Who cares. It will be a red herring used to divide the Nation and distract from what is really going on in. At the end of the day, we will more than likely get a reform that looks very similar to the one President Regan signed. Of course, it will take 6 to 12 months of driving people crazy over by fanning the flames of this or that to get there. What immigration reform comes down to is this:

If you give amnesty to people here for x years or longer then you give x amount of new voters to this party or that party. Wanna bet they figure out what number of years gives a pretty even split on voters to each party and make that the X amount of years decide to give amnesty to in the bill that will become law? It ain't about doing the right thing it is about keeping our 2 party system and those that run it in power.

For a nation like Iraq to have gained WMD's I'd say you're correct that we sold them to them and advised on their manufacture. Iraq in the 1970's and 1980's wasn't a place know for its scientific community and they were the enemy of the USA's enemy, i.e. Iran, which makes you the USA's friend. Kind of like us training the Mujahaideen. In the long run that didn't work out all that well for our troops either. My point is that they existed in Iraq and then were used against Coalition Forces. I hate the fact that the US Press has drilled this view that they did not exist. They did. Should the production of them at the time of the second Gulf War had been used to get us to invade? I don't care and I'm not in a discussion about that. I'm just defending the truth that they existed.

[Nickdfresh]

You’re advising/relaying that a female bartender was only hired for her looks and has nothing else as far as skills that she exhibited or did not exhibit to gain her position. Then in the same sentence you’re advising that you are going to sleep with her.

Actually it's a fair bit more complicated for that and she's a full time student in a pretty challenging program as well and she does other things aside from bartending. But since they don't hire men there, it's fair to say that most of the female staff are hired largely by their looks. Suffice to say in any case, we're just friends at this point...

Noting the fact that you have conveyed the fact that you are aware of the reasons she’s employed it wouldn’t be that far a reach to make the assumption that you either hired her or are in a position of power over her employment. Thus, you are not only misogynistic but you are also sexually harassing her.

LOL Ha! Don't quite your day job! Actually, I just meant that she laughs at guys that try to impress her with money and who brag about themselves...

It is funny that you apparently view/treat women the way that you have shown through the above statement and then use disparaging terms like “fag” or “faggot” when you address people through your post, i.e., Elvis, in the forum. You attempt to portray yourself as this high minded, big time, PROGRESSIVE thinker when in all actuality your actions and statements show you to be a misogynistic, homophobic, hate filled person. You’re really no different from the Klan members that burned a cross in my grandfather’s yard except they did not have computers to spread their hate around via the internet like you do.

If I used a disparaging term of faggot, and I don't recall if I did or not but I have in the past, then I do apologize. I've never called a gay person a "fag", when I rarely lose my temper and use the word, it's actually at (supposed) heterosexuals trying to be macho douchebags and to tweak their faux-masculinity...

LOL YOU"RE USING ELVIS AS AN EXAMPLE???!!! He's the most homophobic guy here and routinely uses the word f@ggot to disparage gays, just as he's been banned for using the word n!&&er in the past, repeatedly and just to piss off people after warned not too.

Perhaps you shouldn't worry your pretty little about other peoples' flames and debates without knowing the back stories...

LOL Now you're flaming me for being a misanthrope and for gay-bashing despite the fact that I support gay marriage, equal rights, keeping the gov't out of EVERYBODYS' bedrooms and their vaginas...

Good one, Potsy! Keep going! ..

You’re a person with whom I would not interact with in my life outside of this forum.

You mean we're never going to have that beer! That's pretty much the same with 99.9% of everyone I (and probably you) have met on the 'net...

I don’t interact with people who exhibit the hatred and narrow mindedness to others you so clearly have shown in your writings. When challenged you attempt to bully people and when that doesn’t work you resort to your true core beliefs and use hate filled names in an attempt to quiet their ideas. So it begs the question why am I interacting with you inside it? I’ve no idea. Thus, I chose to disengage from that interaction. From my viewpoint, when the veil that surrounds your true core is pierced there isn’t much within you that is redeeming.

Good for you, but you're completely insane. I don't "bully", I debate and rarely have I thrown shit at people who haven't thrown it first. I'm the one who was offended by your tendencies to defame and disparage people with blanket statements you don't like or who fit your agenda. Like saying shit about Petraeus based on supposed hearsay you heard while he was a general. Yes, he cheated on his wife, but I'm assuming you wouldn't have ever heard anything about that since it's only been an issue since he's the (now ex-) civilian DCIA.

Oh yeah, you've also made extremely douchy assumptions about me, my work ethic, supposed political beliefs, etc. which aren't true. I don't really give much of a fuck and think most of this is actually pretty funny. But stop being such a complete hypowit!

I hope that you will someday find the peace that comes with a better understanding of people and you can gain from the insight that knowing and befriending people of different backgrounds cultures, and ideas.

Well then, we agree on something...cheers...

[Nickdfresh]

...Eisenhower was probably having sex with his (female, Irish actress) driver. I think their was even a public cartoon in which she's bending over under the hood of a broken staff and Ike is holding a tool and asking if she wants the "screwdriver?" he's holding. She says back, "no let's fix the Goddamn car first!" It's in Rick Atkinson's Day of Battle. I'll try to upload it today from my personal archive as it's relevant in other places I mod...

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Issuing a "correction" here, I reread parts of Atkinson's book, and the cartoon wasn't in there (it was in his first of the series, An Army at I Dawn IIRC), and while there was very public speculation about whether Ike and Kay Summersby were having an affair, there was no real evidence of it other than the fact they were often constant companions. Summersby's actual fiance was a U.S. Army Colonel that was killed in North Africa...

[Satan]

It is funny that you apparently view/treat women the way that you have shown through the above statement and then use disparaging terms like “fag” or “faggot” when you address people through your post, i.e., Elvis, in the forum. You attempt to portray yourself as this high minded, big time, PROGRESSIVE thinker when in all actuality your actions and statements show you to be a misogynistic, homophobic, hate filled person. You’re really no different from the Klan members that burned a cross in my grandfather’s yard except they did not have computers to spread their hate around via the internet like you do.

You’re a person with whom I would not interact with in my life outside of this forum. I don’t interact with people who exhibit the hatred and narrow mindedness to others you so clearly have shown in your writings. When challenged you attempt to bully people and when that doesn’t work you resort to your true core beliefs and use hate filled names in an attempt to quiet their ideas. So it begs the question why am I interacting with you inside it? I’ve no idea.

It also begs the question of why your own avatar is an extremely homophobic attack on a Presidential candidate (and a violation of one of the Roth Army's very few rules, I might add)

[Kristy]

LMAO, my daddy paid for my education? Nope - swing and a miss. I grew-up all over the planet and in 14 of the US States. I grew-up poor and I am a MINORITY. You know, I get to classify myself with a hyphen if I want to or have to due to Federal Law when filling out the Census. So, swing and a miss again. Does that mean in your world view I should be poor and vote a straight Dem Party ticket? WTF? I grew-up with parents that were open-minded, believed in God, Family, and the USA. It may be corny but those values are pretty good ones and oh, so 1950's. My parents backed Bobby Kennedy and Ronald Regan. I've seen good in Clinton and in Bush. I've also found them lacking. Sticking me our my parents in one key hole or another doesn't work. People are complex and don't fit into this or that. You can take the good from this side or that side, reject the bad from both, and they get a view-point that means something.

Bullshit. You change your tune when it becomes convenient for you to do so. "Social liberalism" aside you are nothing more than a double taking materialistic Rethug douchebag.