The Fiscal Cliff talks: a framework emerges

[Dr. Love]

so which part do you disagree with?

[FORD]

The whole false equivalency that he makes between "defense" spending and the so-called "welfare state". It's not even remotely an equivalent amount of money, and even if it were, it would certainly be far better spent keeping people from starving to death and getting old folks some health care than going to greedy ass fascist weapons manufacturers and used to kill brown people on the other side of the planet who never did a Allah damned thing to us.

[Dr. Love]

Ok. I think all he meant was that both sides have their sacred cows, neither are willing to budge, and both of them spend to build up their favored set of programs (defense or social) while in power without any regard to the nation's finances. I think Ron Paul would be fine with starting with cutting military spending. I certainly would be.

[ELVIS]

So would I...

[ELVIS]

Dude, I think your sig is causing the threads to lock up...

[BigBadBrian]

And that leaves the tax burden to the middle class.

Any economist will tell you that the majority of America's tax dollars lie in the bottom 4 tax brackets, the so-called Middle Class (since those below the bottom tax bracket, the poor, pay nothing). The bottom 4 tax brackets have close to 5 times the potential in tax revenue than the top two (now one) brackets, the so-called "rich."

[BigBadBrian]

It's all over the media, CNN talked about it at length this morning...

This morning? Hell, that's timely of them. Where the hell have they been the last few weeks? Sucking Obama's knob on this "raising taxes for the rich" nonsense, that's where.

[BigBadBrian]

This new deal actually increases the deficit by almost $4 Trillion over a decade.

Does anyone in this forum actually believe Obama want's to start reducing the Federal Deficit? Anyone?

[BigBadBrian]

so which part do you disagree with?

I don't disagree with your sig, that's for sure.

[ZahZoo]

This new deal actually increases the deficit by almost $4 Trillion over a decade.

Does anyone in this forum actually believe Obama want's to start reducing the Federal Deficit? Anyone?

I don't think there's anyone in any branch of the government in Washington DC that wants to start reducing the federal deficit... It's not just the president.

[knuckleboner]

You're kidding, right?

reagan wasn't. he had deficits every year for 8 years.

[knuckleboner]

Payroll taxes still go up, from 4.2% to 6.2%. For the average American Worker making $41K, that's $32 less in their paycheck they will see every 2 weeks. Serious grocery money for a family of 4.

true. too bad it was a tax cut no republicans would support...

[Nickdfresh]

This morning? Hell, that's timely of them. Where the hell have they been the last few weeks? Sucking Obama's knob on this "raising taxes for the rich" nonsense, that's where.

I was answering your question, it's not a secret and it's all over any news site...and you're just blaming Obama for this?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Unstickying....

Just a matter of time before we'll have a debt ceiling thread to sticky, I'm sure...

[BigBadBrian]

Unstickying....

Just a matter of time before we'll have a debt ceiling thread to sticky, I'm sure...

Especially seeing how Obozo wants the national credit card to have no limit.