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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35750

    Americans should be more worried about the First Amendment...

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    I'm not sure the US media is reporting this.

    Instead of worrying about conspiracy bullshit people should be concentrating on real stuff which is pretty scary.

    The FBI combined with the banks to infiltrate and destroy peaceful protest?

    Naomi Wolf: New documents prove what was once dismissed as paranoid fantasy: totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent



    Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy

    New documents prove what was once dismissed as paranoid fantasy: totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent



    Naomi Wolf
    guardian.co.uk, Saturday 29 December 2012


    It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves.

    The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, in a groundbreaking scoop that should once more shame major US media outlets (why are nonprofits now some of the only entities in America left breaking major civil liberties news?), filed this request. The document – reproduced here(link in original article) in an easily searchable format – shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.

    The documents, released after long delay in the week between Christmas and New Year, show a nationwide meta-plot unfolding in city after city in an Orwellian world: six American universities are sites where campus police funneled information about students involved with OWS to the FBI, with the administrations' knowledge (p51); banks sat down with FBI officials to pool information about OWS protesters harvested by private security; plans to crush Occupy events, planned for a month down the road, were made by the FBI – and offered to the representatives of the same organizations that the protests would target; and even threats of the assassination of OWS leaders by sniper fire – by whom? Where? – now remain redacted and undisclosed to those American citizens in danger, contrary to standard FBI practice to inform the person concerned when there is a threat against a political leader (p61).

    As Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, executive director of the PCJF, put it, the documents show that from the start, the FBI – though it acknowledges Occupy movement as being, in fact, a peaceful organization – nonetheless designated OWS repeatedly as a "terrorist threat":

    "FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) … reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat … The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted documents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country."

    Verheyden-Hilliard points out the close partnering of banks, the New York Stock Exchange and at least one local Federal Reserve with the FBI and DHS, and calls it "police-statism":

    "This production [of documents], which we believe is just the tip of the iceberg, is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI's surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protestors organizing with the Occupy movement … These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America."

    The documents show stunning range: in Denver, Colorado, that branch of the FBI and a "Bank Fraud Working Group" met in November 2011 – during the Occupy protests – to surveil the group. The Federal Reserve of Richmond, Virginia had its own private security surveilling Occupy Tampa and Tampa Veterans for Peace and passing privately-collected information on activists back to the Richmond FBI, which, in turn, categorized OWS activities under its "domestic terrorism" unit. The Anchorage, Alaska "terrorism task force" was watching Occupy Anchorage. The Jackson, Mississippi "joint terrorism task force" was issuing a "counterterrorism preparedness alert" about the ill-organized grandmas and college sophomores in Occupy there. Also in Jackson, Mississippi, the FBI and the "Bank Security Group" – multiple private banks – met to discuss the reaction to "National Bad Bank Sit-in Day" (the response was violent, as you may recall). The Virginia FBI sent that state's Occupy members' details to the Virginia terrorism fusion center. The Memphis FBI tracked OWS under its "joint terrorism task force" aegis, too. And so on, for over 100 pages.

    Jason Leopold, at Truthout.org, who has sought similar documents for more than a year, reported that the FBI falsely asserted in response to his own FOIA requests that no documents related to its infiltration of Occupy Wall Street existed at all. But the release may be strategic: if you are an Occupy activist and see how your information is being sent to terrorism task forces and fusion centers, not to mention the "longterm plans" of some redacted group to shoot you, this document is quite the deterrent.

    There is a new twist: the merger of the private sector, DHS and the FBI means that any of us can become WikiLeaks, a point that Julian Assange was trying to make in explaining the argument behind his recent book. The fusion of the tracking of money and the suppression of dissent means that a huge area of vulnerability in civil society – people's income streams and financial records – is now firmly in the hands of the banks, which are, in turn, now in the business of tracking your dissent.

    Remember that only 10% of the money donated to WikiLeaks can be processed – because of financial sector and DHS-sponsored targeting of PayPal data. With this merger, that crushing of one's personal or business financial freedom can happen to any of us. How messy, criminalizing and prosecuting dissent. How simple, by contrast, just to label an entity a "terrorist organization" and choke off, disrupt or indict its sources of financing.

    Why the huge push for counterterrorism "fusion centers", the DHS militarizing of police departments, and so on? It was never really about "the terrorists". It was not even about civil unrest. It was always about this moment, when vast crimes might be uncovered by citizens – it was always, that is to say, meant to be about you.
    Last edited by Seshmeister; 01-14-2013, 08:59 PM.
  • Dr. Love
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7833

    #2
    It was pretty obvious when the cities all cracked down on OWS on the same day. Our government was supporting the right of private citizens to assemble in countries like Egypt and breaking up protests in its own back yard at the same time. Shameful.
    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

    http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35750

      #3
      This when you have Black Jesus as president, a former civil rights attorney who used to lecture in constitutional law?

      The irony is up there with Henry Kissinger winning a Nobel Peace Prize...

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      • Dr. Love
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Jan 2004
        • 7833

        #4
        Or Obama winning it. :P
        I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

        http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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        • DONNIEP
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 13373

          #5
          The rise of the police state...
          American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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          • jacksmar
            Full Member Status

            • Feb 2004
            • 3533

            #6
            Soros funded Marxists prove they are not smarter than the FBI. They should have had the fire hoses turned on them after the week.

            Shit supported by shit leaving shit behind.

            A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49563

              #7
              This is sad and disgraceful, a legacy of the knee-jerk paranoia and corporatism starting to be codified against the Antiwar movement in the 60's and stemmed by the fallout of the 1970's and various investigations such as The Church Commission. It's pretty fucking awful that 9/11 has blinded people and allowed for this to be reborn.

              Another concern is not only is this a basic affront to civil liberties combined with a fascist-lite fusion of state security organs with base corporate interests against what is a basic, nonviolent protest--it also is watering down the ability of the federal gov't to respond to real security threats and actual criminals...

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49563

                #8
                Originally posted by jacksmar
                Soros funded Marxists prove they are not smarter than the FBI. They should have had the fire hoses turned on them after the week.

                Shit supported by shit leaving shit behind.

                You're even dumber than Elvis...

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                • Hardrock69
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 21897

                  #9
                  Hey now...he put a lot of effort into not learning anything.....give credit where credit is due.

                  He is VERY SUCCESSFUL at being stoopid.

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                  • Dr. Love
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 7833

                    #10
                    Americans should be worried about the 2nd amendment ... it is the last resort to pushing back against a government intent on infringing on the 1st and other amendments.
                    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                    http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                    • Hardrock69
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 21897

                      #11
                      I agree.

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                      • jhale667
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 20929

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dr. Love
                        Americans should be worried about the 2nd amendment ... it is the last resort to pushing back against a government intent on infringing on the 1st and other amendments.

                        I agree with you on principle, but even if I have a dozen assault rifles and a crate of ammo I can't stop a tank or a drone from taking me out from a block away... just sayin'.
                        Originally posted by conmee
                        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                        That is all.

                        Icon.
                        Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                        I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                        Originally posted by Isaac R.
                        Then it's really true??

                        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                        Originally posted by eddie78
                        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35750

                          #13
                          You have a much better chance of protecting your 2nd Amendment Rights using the 1st than trying to use the 2nd to protect the 1st!

                          Although personally if I was you I would amend the 2nd to get rid of it but I'm not American...

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                          • Dr. Love
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7833

                            #14
                            Well, I don't think it'd come to that ... I have a lot of hope that the military would refuse to attack our citizenry.
                            I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                            http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                            • jhale667
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 20929

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dr. Love
                              Well, I don't think it'd come to that ... I have a lot of hope that the military would refuse to attack our citizenry.
                              See, that's where this whole "tyrannical government" thing falls flat for me... you think the average soldier is gonna help raze some US neighborhood that wants to keep its guns, knowing full well the same thing is likely going on in his own neighborhood at the same moment - or will soon, at least? Thinkin' there'd be more than a few that would disobey that (unrealistic) order...
                              Originally posted by conmee
                              If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                              That is all.

                              Icon.
                              Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                              I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                              Originally posted by Isaac R.
                              Then it's really true??

                              The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                              OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                              Originally posted by eddie78
                              I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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