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[Seshmeister]

Oh Jesus the Swiss again...

[vandeleur]

Oh Jesus the Swiss again...

[FORD]

If you want to copy Switzerland's gun laws, then you would also need to copy their military system. As you copy & pasted, they have no standing army. We weren't supposed to have one either.

Switzerland also has a policy of neutrality when it comes to wars, which is the polar opposite of the US playing global supercop on behalf of corporate interests. (Not that Switzerland doesn't aid predatory capitalism in other ways, but that's another discussion entirely).

And their health care is better too. So are their watches and chocolate. And cheese, for that matter. So if you want to imitate Switzerland, sure why not? But we would have to do all of it. Not just pick and choose the one thing you like.

[Seshmeister]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/27/markoliver

Swiss man kills 14 in crazed gun attack



Mark Oliver
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 27 September 2001 14.11 BST

A gunman killed at least 14 people in a local government building in Switzerland today apparently because of a grievance over a decision against him.
The man - who witnesses said was wearing a policeman's uniform - stormed into a morning session packed with 80 politicians and a group of journalists in Zug, north Switzerland.

Toting an assault rifle, the gunman sprayed the room with bullets before detonating an explosive device, the Zug police chief, Urs Hurlimann, said.

The gunman was among the dead, Mr Hurlimann said, but he would not confirm whether he had killed himself or was shot by officers.

At least 16 people were wounded, among them the government chief, Hanspeter User, who was seriously injured. Mr Hurlimann said eight politicians were seriously hurt. He would not give details on identities of the victims.

Swiss radio reported that the man - who was Swiss - left a letter behind in which he spoke of a "day of rage against the Zug Mafia".

Dominik Hertach, a reporter for the Swiss Telegraphic news agency, said: "The man strode through the whole floor, shooting at people." He said terrified people threw themselves to the floor amid loud screams from the injured.

After the explosion, Mr Hertach said that smoke filled the room and the force of the blast ripped off doors and shattered windows. It was not clear whether the man detonated a hand grenade or had a home-made bomb.

Police sealed off the centre of Zug, a wealthy, lakeside town near Zurich, best known within Switzerland for its low tax rate. They also seized a Swiss-registered car which was discovered to contain a cache of weapons.

Initial information suggested that the man was acting on his own. Mr Hurlimann said that it was believed the man bore a grudge against the local government and that there, "doesn't seem to be any connection with the terrorist attacks in the United States".

Peter Hess, president of the Swiss national parliament in Bern, interrupted a regular session to give details of the death toll.

Mr Hess, who is from Zug, said: "In this awful attack, there are 14 dead, including three members of the government and there are reports of 16 more injured."

Viktor Schaech, who runs a kiosk near the parliament building in Zug, said he was chatting to a friend when he heard the sound of shooting. "It was complete chaos," he said. "It was absolutely awful. I'm still in shock."

Although gun ownership is widespread in Switzerland, violent crime is rare and there are minimal security controls at public buildings. Politicians rarely have police protection.

Security at Switzerland's national parliament in Bern was immediately stepped up following the incident.

[Seshmeister]

Switzerland has a population which is 1/38th of the US so scaling up that would give you 14 x 38 = 532 dead politicians.

That may sound like good news in some ways but not surprisingly the Swiss politicians were less keen so now people aren't allowed to keep the bullets to their rifles at home.

[Kristy]

Bullshit. Anybody who walks around in a public park with a goddamned assault rifle is obviously mentally ill. And a mentally ill person should not have ANY gun.

Exactly. And I don't think these douchebags have any idea that what they're doing is intimidating people and hiding behind the Second Amendment to cover up for their small penis failures. It won't be long when many of them will be jailed for "brandishing" their weapon in a public environment. 3 years and a felony charge should be sufficient enough

[Seshmeister]

So that's the second time and it's still January.

We should run a book on how many times we have to do the 'Swiss gun control thing' this year.

[Headly1984]

If you want to copy Switzerland's gun laws, then you would also need to copy their military system. As you copy & pasted, they have no standing army. We weren't supposed to have one either.

Switzerland also has a policy of neutrality when it comes to wars, which is the polar opposite of the US playing global supercop on behalf of corporate interests. (Not that Switzerland doesn't aid predatory capitalism in other ways, but that's another discussion entirely).

And their health care is better too. So are their watches and chocolate. And cheese, for that matter. So if you want to imitate Switzerland, sure why not? But we would have to do all of it. Not just pick and choose the one thing you like.

Our nation could , maybe should learn not to be super cop - but we broke the middle east and we bought it to coin the Powel phrase, and are stuck there until ??

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/27/markoliver

Swiss man kills 14 in crazed gun attack



Mark Oliver
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 27 September 2001 14.11 BST

A gunman killed at least 14 people in a local government building in Switzerland today apparently because of a grievance over a decision against him.
The man - who witnesses said was wearing a policeman's uniform - stormed into a morning session packed with 80 politicians and a group of journalists in Zug, north Switzerland.

Toting an assault rifle, the gunman sprayed the room with bullets before detonating an explosive device, the Zug police chief, Urs Hurlimann, said.

The gunman was among the dead, Mr Hurlimann said, but he would not confirm whether he had killed himself or was shot by officers.

At least 16 people were wounded, among them the government chief, Hanspeter User, who was seriously injured. Mr Hurlimann said eight politicians were seriously hurt. He would not give details on identities of the victims.

Swiss radio reported that the man - who was Swiss - left a letter behind in which he spoke of a "day of rage against the Zug Mafia".

Dominik Hertach, a reporter for the Swiss Telegraphic news agency, said: "The man strode through the whole floor, shooting at people." He said terrified people threw themselves to the floor amid loud screams from the injured.

After the explosion, Mr Hertach said that smoke filled the room and the force of the blast ripped off doors and shattered windows. It was not clear whether the man detonated a hand grenade or had a home-made bomb.

Police sealed off the centre of Zug, a wealthy, lakeside town near Zurich, best known within Switzerland for its low tax rate. They also seized a Swiss-registered car which was discovered to contain a cache of weapons.

Initial information suggested that the man was acting on his own. Mr Hurlimann said that it was believed the man bore a grudge against the local government and that there, "doesn't seem to be any connection with the terrorist attacks in the United States".

Peter Hess, president of the Swiss national parliament in Bern, interrupted a regular session to give details of the death toll.

Mr Hess, who is from Zug, said: "In this awful attack, there are 14 dead, including three members of the government and there are reports of 16 more injured."

Viktor Schaech, who runs a kiosk near the parliament building in Zug, said he was chatting to a friend when he heard the sound of shooting. "It was complete chaos," he said. "It was absolutely awful. I'm still in shock."

Although gun ownership is widespread in Switzerland, violent crime is rare and there are minimal security controls at public buildings. Politicians rarely have police protection.

Security at Switzerland's national parliament in Bern was immediately stepped up following the incident.

[/QUOTE]

ok, bad things happen, will sensationalism create new gun control laws or will the people of that nation realize ya can't regulate crazy

[Seshmeister]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0103/361099-three-people-killed-and-two-injured-by-gunman-in-s/

Three killed, two injured in Switzerland shooting

Three women were killed and two men were wounded when a gunman opened fire in the Swiss village of Daillon.

The 33-year-old gunman, who has not been named, threatened police when they tried to arrest him and was shot in the chest before being arrested and taken to hospital.

Gun ownership is widespread in Switzerland and voters rejected a proposal in February 2011 to tighten the country's liberal fire arms laws.

The women killed in Daillon were aged 32, 54 and 79. They were all shot at least twice, in the head and chest.

The youngest was married to one of the injured men and they had young children together, regional public prosecutor Catherine Seppey told a news conference.

The injured men were aged 33 and 63.

The gunman was a local resident who had been in psychiatric care in 2005 and was unemployed and living on welfare benefits, police said.

His only previous conviction was for marijuana use.

He used at least two firearms - an old Swiss army carbine and a rifle capable of firing lead shot - even though weapons he had owned had been seized and destroyed in 2005.

He was not currently listed as having any guns.

He began firing from his apartment last night, shooting at people in the street and in neighbouring buildings, but later came out into the street, police said, adding that he appeared to have fired more than 20 shots.

Swiss website 20minutes.ch quoted villagers as saying the gunman had been drinking heavily. It also said he was armed with an assault rifle, but the public prosecutor did not confirm that information.

The village is close to the town of Sion, the capital of the canton - or region - of Valais.

A shooting in the regional parliament in the canton of Zug in 2001 that caused 14 deaths, stirred debate over gun control in Switzerland, where - according to some estimates - at least one in every three of its 8m inhabitants holds a gun.
Many are stored in people's attics, a legacy of Switzerland's policy of creating a citizen army that can be mobilised quickly to defend its neutrality.

[Headly1984]

in the 1980's Pat Buchanan ran for president on an America 1st platform - people called him an isolationist

I though he was nuts, but I now see if we did more like he intended, and to some extent Ron Paul, not to be world police or engage in a military arms race to bankrupt USSR - the USA might be stronger and wealthier for it today

we agree in there being a corporate interest in military conflict - it is unfortunate & justified by jobs or selectively as liberators of people under tyrannical rule

Saddam was going to surrender and go away to Monaco or ?? - had we avoided Gulf War II and III (Arab Spring) we might not be in a perpetual war as I like to call it.

I find it unfortunate that all people born after 1984'sh have known military conflict as fact during their lifetime, unlike my generation of the 70's when it seemed Vietnam was a lesson learned and the military was done being world police

people want gun control - people wonder why there is so much violence - these young shooters seem desensitized to violence via 1st person shooting games and nightly news coverage of the sandbox conflicts

-no wonder the fragile or crazy ones might have a distorted view on life & death as a result of the violence ever present in their daily lives

[Headly1984]

We grew up in the 70's believing it would be a peaceful world

we had our BB guns, slot cars & chemistry sets and were boy scouts, the most violent we got was playing 1 pump bb gun war wearing ski googles

that was good fun

now we are 40'sh and like to go hunt or shoot skeet @ the gun club, I even bought an AR-15 cause I could & wanted to get into shooting distance for a hobby - 300 yd shooting is interesting with windage and drop variables

I sold the beautiful 20' Varmint AR I built due to new NY gun laws. I was sad to see it go, it has a SS fluted bull barrel, 1-9 twist, and nice nikon glass - it would easily put shots within a thumb of center bullseye grouping @ 100 yds

300, not as precise but very interesting - some guys at the club are uncannily good marksman - it amazes me what some folk can do with a rifle

[Seshmeister]

It's all about fear.

Your TV media going to shit and having to turn a profit now doesn't help. Idiots like Alex Jones building on paranoia doesn't help either.

[Nickdfresh]

Switzerland has a population which is 1/38th of the US so scaling up that would give you 14 x 38 = 532 dead politicians.

That may sound like good news in some ways but not surprisingly the Swiss politicians were less keen so now people aren't allowed to keep the bullets to their rifles at home.

And the rifles are issued and tightly regulated by the Swiss gov't as they are issued to a "Militia"...

That means you can face criminal charges for "losing" your weapon or if it gets used in a crime after a theft I'm guessing...

[Nickdfresh]

We grew up in the 70's believing it would be a peaceful world

we had our BB guns, slot cars & chemistry sets and were boy scouts, the most violent we got was playing 1 pump bb gun war wearing ski googles

that was good fun

now we are 40'sh and like to go hunt or shoot skeet @ the gun club, I even bought an AR-15 cause I could & wanted to get into shooting distance for a hobby - 300 yd shooting is interesting with windage and drop variables

I sold the beautiful 20' Varmint AR I built due to new NY gun laws. I was sad to see it go, it has a SS fluted bull barrel, 1-9 twist, and nice nikon glass - it would easily put shots within a thumb of center bullseye grouping @ 100 yds

300, not as precise but very interesting - some guys at the club are uncannily good marksman - it amazes me what some folk can do with a rifle

Don't be retarded! The world was more dangerous in the idyllic "70's" with substantially greater per capita murder rates...

[envy_me]

You can't compare Switzerland and USA. It's like comparing Zimbabwe to Japan.