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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Hundreds of Thousands to Be Questioned on Eligibility for Obamacare Subsidies...

    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is contacting hundreds of thousands of people with subsidized health insurance to resolve questions about their eligibility, as consumer advocates express concern that many will be required to repay some or all of the subsidies.

    Of the eight million people who signed up for private health plans through insurance exchanges under the new health care law, two million reported personal information that differed from data in government records, according to federal officials and Serco, the company hired to resolve such inconsistencies.

    The government is asking consumers for additional documents to verify their income, citizenship, immigration status and Social Security numbers, as well as any health coverage that they may have from employers. People who do not provide the information risk losing their subsidized coverage and may have to repay subsidies next April.

    Federal subsidies for the purchase of private insurance are a cornerstone of the Affordable Care Act. More than eight out of 10 people who selected health plans through the exchanges from October through mid-April were eligible for subsidies, including income tax credits. So far this year the federal government has paid out $4.7 billion in subsidies, and the amount is expected to total $900 billion over 10 years.

    Since June 1, the government has notified hundreds of thousands of people that “the information in your application doesn’t match what we found in other records.” Accordingly, the notice says, “you need to follow up as soon as possible and provide more documents to make sure the marketplace has the correct information.”

    “If you don’t send the needed documents,” it says, “you risk losing your marketplace coverage or help you may be receiving to pay for such coverage.”

    The government has a long list of documents that consumers can use to establish their eligibility. These include copies of birth certificates, Social Security cards, high school diplomas, driver’s licenses, pay stubs and voter registration cards.

    “The law requires us to double- and triple-check this data,” said Julie Bataille, a spokeswoman at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, so “we’re reaching out to consumers — via mail, email and phone calls — to encourage them to provide supporting documentation.”

    Mara Youdelman, a lawyer at the National Health Law Program, an advocacy group for low-income people, said: “In some cases, consumers say they already sent the documents to the federal marketplace. They don’t understand why they are being asked to send them in again.”

    Even though consumers have sent documents to Serco’s office in London, Ky., the government cannot always link the documents to applications for coverage filed months earlier. In addition, some consumers report persistent problems when they try to upload documents through HealthCare.gov.

    For months, Republicans have asserted that the administration was lax in verifying the income and eligibility of people who applied for insurance subsidies.

    The government enrolled people “before the systems were in place to accurately confirm eligibility,” said Representative Diane Black, Republican of Tennessee.

    In some cases, the government told consumers that they had been found eligible for subsidized insurance and could enroll right away. But to keep the coverage, it said, they had to “send the marketplace more information” to verify their eligibility.

    Representative Erik Paulsen, Republican of Minnesota, said “many Americans are going to find out that they owe money to the Internal Revenue Service because their premium tax credits were paid incorrectly.”

    Representative Joseph Crowley, Democrat of New York, said such remarks showed the Republicans’ “unending zeal to undermine the Affordable Care Act.”

    At the same time, supporters of the health care law worry that some of its chief beneficiaries will be upset if they find next spring that their tax liability is greater than they expected.

    Ronald F. Pollack, the executive director of Families USA, a liberal-leaning consumer group, said he believed that the government would not find major discrepancies in the amounts most consumers should receive in premium tax credits. But he said, “We share concerns that the longer the process of verifying and resolving inconsistencies takes, the more some consumers will owe when they reconcile their tax returns.”

    The Congressional Budget Office estimates that subsidies this year will average $4,400 for each person who receives a subsidy. Federal law generally limits the amount that lower- and moderate-income people may be required to repay. A family of four with an annual income of $80,000 could be required to repay as much as $2,500.

    Executives at Serco, the federal contractor, said that technical problems with HealthCare.gov had limited their ability to investigate discrepancies.

    Until late May, a Serco executive said, the company had to rely on “manual processes” to resolve conflicts between information provided by consumers and information in government databases.

    The government was supposed to develop a system to scan documents and transfer information automatically into electronic files, but the system was not developed, so Serco employees had to type in the information. Serco said it took an hour to perform tasks that were expected to take just five minutes.

    Subsidies depend on household income and the number of people in a family seeking assistance. But internal memorandums from the Department of Health and Human Services say that the insurance exchanges had no way to verify family size.

    The government has also had difficulty checking information about employer-sponsored insurance. The Obama administration delayed until 2015 a requirement for employers to inform the government of insurance that they provide. Workers are generally ineligible for subsidies if they have access to affordable employer-sponsored coverage that meets basic federal standards.


  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59651

    #2
    Fuck all this bullshit.

    Go to Single Payer. Go directly to Single Payer. No more subsidies. No more criminal industry CEOS. No more hassle.

    Teabaggers who don't like it can fucking move to Somalia.
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      Fuck that too...

      The federal government has no business in my health...

      PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59651

        #4
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • ashstralia
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Feb 2004
          • 6566

          #5
          Originally posted by FORD
          Fuck all this bullshit.

          Go to Single Payer. Go directly to Single Payer. No more subsidies. No more criminal industry CEOS. No more hassle.
          The problem, my friend, is hustle not hassle. While you've got drug companies kicking back to providers kicking back to elected people, ain't nothin ever gonna change.

          I've still got big thick US golf magazines from the '90's (claimed em as a tax deduction, 'educational material' ) where every third page was an ad for a drug, a luxury car/watch/holiday.

          Those were the days, ay?

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            #6
            FORD likes being hustled...

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              #7
              Just look at the video he chose to post...

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              • DONNIEP
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Mar 2004
                • 13373

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                Go to Single Payer.
                This has been the aim of Obamacare from day one. It's not there to try and reduce health care costs or to help insure Americans who otherwise can't afford it. It's a means to an end. You get the people so pissed off that they'll buy into Medicare for everybody. Then the gubment can say "woah, we can't afford all of this. Somebody's gonna have to sacrifice." And it's going to be the sick and the old who get sacrificed. And when the profit incentive is taken out of the equation, people will stop going to school to become doctors and surgeons. And that'll be just fine with most people because why should anybody profit from health care?

                Not long after my parents sold their dental practice, I made an appointment with a dentist nearby for my daughter's 6 month cleaning. So we cruise down to where I think the office is and walk in. And it's not such a nice place. And the people sitting in the waiting room are kinda down and out looking. I mean it is noticeable. So, I walk up to the counter and the chick behind the window whispers to me that I'm in the wrong office - this is the Medicaid patient office. So we high tail it over to the regular people office and the difference is astounding. Why? Because Medicaid doesn't pay S H I T. And if you're not getting paid much then everything suffers. If all of you want to go sit in some shit hole doctor or dentist office, surrounded by people who probably ain't contributing a penny, where the providers aren't getting paid jack shit, then knock yourselves out. But I can guarantee you you won't like it. No matter how big of a hard on you've got to see an entire industry gutted and destroyed.
                American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  #9
                  Yup...

                  And then there's the medicaid and medicare fraud that is just rampant in the system and only going to get worse with such huge numbers...

                  The federal government is corrupt, out of control, bought off, broke and hell bent on policing the world...

                  Now they opened the floodgates on illegals and gang members...

                  We're about to be completely overrun...

                  They can go fuck themselves if they think they're going to dictate my health care, or ANYTHING about me...

                  Very nice, DONNIEMOST


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                  • DONNIEP
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 13373

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ELVIS
                    Yup...

                    And then there's the medicaid and medicare fraud that is just rampant in the system and only going to get worse with such huge numbers...

                    The federal government is corrupt, out of control, bought off, broke and hell bent on policing the world...

                    Now they opened the floodgates on illegals and gang members...

                    We're about to be completely overrun...

                    They can go fuck themselves if they think they're going to dictate my health care, or ANYTHING about me...

                    Very nice, DONNIEMOST


                    All true, in my opinion.

                    And it seems like I read somewhere that there were more Americans receiving some form of government assistance than are actually employed full time. Actually I've read it all over the place. And those numbers didn't include unemployment insurance payments. So if we have almost half, or more than half of the working age population in this country sucking the life out of the welfare system, who's gonna fund Medicaid and Medicare? Just raise taxes out the ass on the people who do actually work? Why not, people shouldn't be allowed to work hard and earn a nice living. And surely some people shouldn't make more than others, right?

                    But let's say it's only 40% of the nation who's receiving gubment aid. Does no one find that alarming? There's a tipping point where this shit is no longer sustainable. And we're rushing up to it, in my opinion. And the majority of Americans are running around with their hands out shouting "Gimme, gimme, GIMME!!!" Who's gonna pay for it? Who's gonna pay for Medicare and Medicaid?
                    American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      #11
                      Sad, isn't it ??

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                      • DONNIEP
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 13373

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        Sad, isn't it ??
                        Actually, it is. Well, it's sad for the people who have to pay for it.

                        Here's a real world example of somebody that I personally know. Chick in her mid 20s, perfectly able bodied, not a damn thing wrong with her. Has two kids and lives with a dude who has a job. She quits her job and walks straight into the Social Services office here in this county. She walks out with a check each month for each kid, Medicaid for her and both kids, child care assistance for both kids, and a shit ton of food stamps each month. All because she chose to quit her job. Oh yeah, and she gets to hit the Earned Income Credit every year for more free money. She says she can't afford to work because she can't afford to put her kids in daycare. Never mind that the gubment is gonna pay 2/3 of her daycare bill. And remember, she's living with a dude who brings in a pay check every week.

                        Now who's paying for all of that? Well, not her because she rakes in more each year off the earned income credit than she pays in. Not the dude she's living with because he gets paid under the table. Now multiply that by the millions of other Americans who've figured out how to do the same thing. It's unsustainable. And yet most people don't want to crack down on it AND they want to give the same "benefits" to every illegal who sneaks across the border. And yet none of those same people have been able to explain to me how we're supposed to fund this bullshit long term. And why should we fund it? Why should we continue to provide FREE healthcare to people who refuse to work? Because people are entitled to healthcare? Because it's a right? I don't think so.
                        American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Because the country is being systematically dismantled bit by bit...

                          That's how I see it...

                          We're going to be full of unskilled illegals with no jobs for anyone...

                          That's why I'm getting off the grid ASAP!!!!!

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                          • vandeleur
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 9865

                            #14
                            Am loving the Elvis Donniep meeting of minds ..... It's a beautiful thing
                            fuck your fucking framing

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                            • DONNIEP
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 13373

                              #15
                              Originally posted by vandeleur
                              Am loving the Elvis Donniep meeting of minds ..... It's a beautiful thing
                              Get your ass over here and start paying for these freeloading dead beats sucking the life out of my country!

                              American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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