Trudeau and Liberals invite actual SS Nazi to House of Commons

[Seshmeister]

The Turks (partly using Kurdish mercenaries) killed 1.5 MILLION of my people (I'm Armenian...and Swedish).

Every so often this still happens to me.

I'm reading that and think weird I thought Rikk was Texan. Then I realize it's just the box I've put you in after 20 years of looking at that avatar. Then I remember my avatar...

[Rikk]

Every so often this still happens to me.

I'm reading that and think weird I thought Rikk was Texan. Then I realize it's just the box I've put you in after 20 years of looking at that avatar. Then I remember my avatar...

LOL!!!

That's awesome. And I have to admit, when you post, I literally imagine Fozzie Bear talking (while Kermit is next to you jacking you off). It's kind of awesome.

I have a slew of nationalities... I was born in Ohio, lived my first 32 years in Canada, then have lived in Chicago ever since.

My background is Swedish-Armenian...plus the Ancestry test also showed that I have some Norwegian blood, Egyptian blood...

...and get this, SESH (it's true!!)...SCOTTISH BLOOD (like 5%)!!

(As for the avatar, that's explained by the fact that J.R. Ewing is my favorite T.V. character of all time...I love DALLAS...I sometimes call my daughter Baby J.R., which makes my wife roll her eyes.)

[FORD]

[Nickdfresh]

The other thing I understand from looking at German society under the Nazis was this intense concentration on promoting the good of the individual German/Aryan. They would promote what a single German individual can accomplish on their own...their "intrinsic excellence & achievements." Communist societies don't operate this way. Their entire apparatus is designed to promote only the "collective good"...the "good for the state."

If you read "The Wages of Destruction" by Adam Tooze, he goes into the intricacies of the Nazi war machine. He mentions how German workers were initially exposed to Jewish slave labor and how they reacted in horror as to how the Jews were treated in the factories and the demoralization that took place watching skilled workers began as they were brutalized and maltreated with the intent of starving them to death. The Nazis had a neat plan to work them to death efficiently while getting every last ounce of workmanship from the dying Jews, but that plan went sideways and fell apart and rations had to be increased for the Jewish workers because starving people don't make very productive labor and they would just pass out at their work stations otherwise, meaning the good German workers received less rations and became even more demoralized as a result...

[Rikk]

If you read "The Wages of Destruction" by Adam Tooze, he goes into the intricacies of the Nazi war machine. He mentions how German workers were initially exposed to Jewish slave labor and how they reacted in horror as to how the Jews were treated in the factories and the demoralization that took place watching skilled workers began as they were brutalized and maltreated with the intent of starving them to death. The Nazis had a neat plan to work them to death efficiently while getting every last ounce of workmanship from the dying Jews, but that plan went sideways and fell apart and rations had to be increased for the Jewish workers because starving people don't make very productive labor and they would just pass out at their work stations otherwise, meaning the good German workers received less rations and became even more demoralized as a result...

Once you introduce authoritarianism into a system, even if you're going through the motions of having a free-market economy, said authoritarianism will eventually create the same inefficiency and lack of foresight that a centrally-planned economy will. This is no doubt also what happened to Marcos...the amount of poverty and lack of human rights is part of what caused the people to want Aquino to come back in 1983 and he knowingly became their martyr.

Aquino was a brilliant, amazing man. I have a couple of books about him. He knowingly went home to die, knowing that doing so would (in the end) destroy Marcos (or at least put the final nail in Marcos' coffin).

[Nickdfresh]

We can go down a rabbit hole here about economies but the purveyors the "Nazis-were-socialists-like-AOC/Bernie are" with their chestnuts of bullshit that conflate, mischaracterize, or completely decontextualize basic facts.

The German war economy of WWII was no more "socialist" than the US or British-Commonwealth ones. Henry Ford made a lot of money making jeeps and bombers for the US military and so did Prof. Porche for the Wehrmacht. The Gov't took emergency powers to redirect production from civilian appliances and goods to planes, tanks, and guns. The German corporatists under the Nazis got plenty rich as did the Nazi hierarchy and they were hardly the paradigm of wealth redistribution and used brutal slave labor policies, which were hardly good for the German working classes. It should also be mentioned that any autocratic regime uses techniques of "playing sides off against one another" to stay in power and prevent any one rival emerging that can challenge the elites and Hitler did this on numerous levels even when it came to R&D for weapons projects. They often had duplicitous factions producing essentially the same thing like a tank, jet fighter, and even atomic bomb projects that were often completely unaware of each other. It was the supposed "good Nazi" Albert Speer (that got off scot-free after the war) tried to bring some sort of coherent economic order to it all, but that's largely been shown to be a revisionist myth Speer propagated in his PR campaign postwar and his predecessor, Totenkopf (who was a total bastard genocidal cunt), had instituted reforms to the Nazi war machine before his fortunate death in a plane crash. Speer chest-thumped that he actually increased German war production despite relentless Allied bombing of factories, but it didn't really matter if you made more tanks but couldn't get them to where they were needed because you dispersed production everywhere, did it?

[Seshmeister]

Aquino was a brilliant, amazing man. I have a couple of books about him. He knowingly went home to die, knowing that doing so would (in the end) destroy Marcos (or at least put the final nail in Marcos' coffin).

Did he though, look who is president now...

[Rikk]

Did he though, look who is president now...

Well, of course. Nobody could foresee what would happen to a country politically 40 years later. But Marcos was basically done the minute Aquino started that flight from the States. He knew Marcos would kill him (there's actual footage of him telling the reporters on the plane to get ready because the shooting could happen very quickly) and he knew that would start an underswell of uprising. And that's exactly what happened.

There are also valid arguments that there was corruption under Aquino's son.

But I believe Aquino himself was a brave, decent man who truly loved his country. He was willing to die for it. He could have stayed on in the States, living comfortably in Boston, speaking out against Marcos from afar. But he made the decision to go home and be killed. It's a very unique, amazing story...I'm surprised there hasn't been a good movie made about it. In fact, I haven't been able to find a good recent book about it either...at least in English. The two books I have were made in the 1980s and 1990s.

A Marcos being in power now...well...yeah. I know.

[Rikk]

We can go down a rabbit hole here about economies but the purveyors the "Nazis-were-socialists-like-AOC/Bernie are" with their chestnuts of bullshit that conflate, mischaracterize, or completely decontextualize basic facts.

The German war economy of WWII was no more "socialist" than the US or British-Commonwealth ones. Henry Ford made a lot of money making jeeps and bombers for the US military and so did Prof. Porche for the Wehrmacht. The Gov't took emergency powers to redirect production from civilian appliances and goods to planes, tanks, and guns. The German corporatists under the Nazis got plenty rich as did the Nazi hierarchy and they were hardly the paradigm of wealth redistribution and used brutal slave labor policies, which were hardly good for the German working classes. It should also be mentioned that any autocratic regime uses techniques of "playing sides off against one another" to stay in power and prevent any one rival emerging that can challenge the elites and Hitler did this on numerous levels even when it came to R&D for weapons projects. They often had duplicitous factions producing essentially the same thing like a tank, jet fighter, and even atomic bomb projects that were often completely unaware of each other. It was the supposed "good Nazi" Albert Speer (that got off scot-free after the war) tried to bring some sort of coherent economic order to it all, but that's largely been shown to be a revisionist myth Speer propagated in his PR campaign postwar and his predecessor, Totenkopf (who was a total bastard genocidal cunt), had instituted reforms to the Nazi war machine before his fortunate death in a plane crash. Speer chest-thumped that he actually increased German war production despite relentless Allied bombing of factories, but it didn't really matter if you made more tanks but couldn't get them to where they were needed because you dispersed production everywhere, did it?

And Speer was such a liar. There were common German peasants who had a good idea what was happening to the Jews and other parts of the Reich's population. But we're supposed to believe that Speer, a man who was working his slaves to death in mines, had no idea about the Holocaust? Absolute bullshit. He successfully fixed his reputation in the West for a time. He's also one of the most engaging speakers in the excellent BBC World War II doc (still considered the best WWII doc because of all the primary source interviews, including people like Admiral Karl Dönitz). But Speer was full of shit. After he died in 1981, more evidence was released that proved his awareness, if not his complicity. He was definitely present at Reich conferences during which some of the lectures were subjects like "How successful has the Jewish annihilation been so far?".

[Nickdfresh]

And Speer was such a liar. There were common German peasants who had a good idea what was happening to the Jews and other parts of the Reich's population. But we're supposed to believe that Speer, a man who was working his slaves to death in mines, had no idea about the Holocaust? Absolute bullshit. He successfully fixed his reputation in the West for a time. He's also one of the most engaging speakers in the excellent BBC World War II doc (still considered the best WWII doc because of all the primary source interviews, including people like Admiral Karl Dönitz). But Speer was full of shit. After he died in 1981, more evidence was released that proved his awareness, if not his complicity. He was definitely present at Reich conferences during which some of the lectures were subjects like "How successful has the Jewish annihilation been so far?".

In Adam Tooze's Wages of Destruction, he mentions several instances where Speer visited factories where Jews in skilled positions were being systematically worked and starved to death and yes, he knew...

[Romeo Delight]

I'm glad that this guy has started to learn about WW2 but he still has quite a long way to go.

It was obviously wrong to honor the Ukrainian and also to give a propaganda weapon to Putin but it's all a bit more complicated. Russia was allied with Nazi Germany until it attacked them. Russia committed just as many massacres of Poles as the Nazis did in the early part of the war when dividing Poland up. Losing far more soldiers fighting the Nazis than the West is a lot to do with them caring a lot less about casualties. Max Hastings is a journalist not a historian.

If you were a Ukrainian in your 20s and when you were younger Stalin engineered the death of 3.9 MILLION of your people, over 10% of the population, who is to say you wouldn't have joined sides with the Germans...?

I mean sure. you can rationalize all of this stuff all ways. Looks like you are trying to obscure this specific instance though. They honoured an SS Volunteer! He volunteered for the SS! Please leave the rationalizations. We can do that infinitum

[Romeo Delight]

I mean look at today. You have a Democratic Leader and party literally inviting the world to invade via the southern border essentially saying the US needs cheap labour. Central American and Mexican cartels and drugs are coming with. Its diabolical.

This is causing death and misery, and people in this thread support and rationalize the direction. Amazing what people do when blindly following an ideology and party. Strange how history repeats itself.

[Romeo Delight]

Pretty accurate

[Nickdfresh]

I mean look at today. You have a Democratic Leader and party literally inviting the world to invade via the southern border essentially saying the US needs cheap labour. Central American and Mexican cartels and drugs are coming with. Its diabolical.

This is causing death and misery, and people in this thread support and rationalize the direction. Amazing what people do when blindly following an ideology and party. Strange how history repeats itself.

Or you just have idiot strawman points made by stupid, unread people. Um, many of the immigrants are hired by Republican-led business entities and part of that is keeping wages down. The Cartels could give a fuck about immigrants and their drugs are coming here due to massive demand and is a completely separate issue. The US also helps arm the cartels with our lax firearm laws. But please tell us what "Dem leader" said anything like that as nearly all voted for increased border security at every turn. Also please tell us why the US doesn't just end "illegal immigration" by jailing or suing all leadership in any business that knowingly hires them?

[Nickdfresh]

Info on this guy:

Yaroslav Hunka was born in Urman,[3] Second Polish Republic (now Ukraine) c. 1925.[4] In 1943, Hunka volunteered to join the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) at 18 years old. During his time in the Waffen SS Galizien, he was photographed training in Munich and Neuhammer (present day Świętoszów).[1] In 1944, Hunka was deployed into combat against Red Army forces on the Eastern Front of World War II.[5] Dominique Arel, the chair of Ukrainian studies at the University of Ottawa, told CBC News that thousands of Ukrainian volunteers had been drawn to the division, and that many aspired doing so could help attain Ukrainian independence from the Soviets. According to him, it was "difficult to determine" whether specific groups of the division took part in atrocities, but he said that by the time Hunka's unit reached the front, German operations relating to the Holocaust would have come to an end in that area. He said, however, that the Waffen SS Galizien had been found to be implicated in the killing of Polish civilians.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Hunka#Biography

He was dumb but he was 18 and he was hardly a concentration camp commandant...