George Bush is defenseless

[John Ashcroft]

Dudes, Ford is just illustrating the entire breakdown of the Democratic party for us. They all feel this way, they usually just don't verbalize it.

Wonder why?

[freak]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Dudes, Ford is just illustrating the entire breakdown of the Democratic party for us. They all feel this way, they usually just don't verbalize it.

Wonder why?

I would guess the silence to be part and parcel to staying out of the political and social backwaters.

Honestly, I up and quit the Democratic party in 1992 because of this nonsense. I could see the direction things were heading and wanted no truck with it. What you have now is a dysfunctional social movement helmed by aging members of the spoiled rotten baby boom. Pseudo-intellectual foolishness mixed with a sense of entitlement and carefully choreographed outrage.

In short, a bunch of balding drama queens.

[ClubDave]

do all you guys who are all over george bush's dick really think you are getting anywhere by going on a rant like this that only ford is answering back? none of us other democrats really care for now, cause once we win the elction that we were ahead in yesterday.......you will be the pitiful ones, trying to make up excuses and sound intelligent........i cant wait........yayyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[John Ashcroft]

Heh heh heh...

Welcome to the board dude! Anytime, and I truly mean this, bring it to the table anytime. We are interested in your thoughts about politics. Just be prepared. You can't float accusations around here without some kind of supporting evidence.

So, what gives you confidence in the "New JFK"?

What excites you about him?

[freak]

Originally posted by ClubDave
do all you guys who are all over george bush's dick really think you are getting anywhere by going on a rant like this that only ford is answering back? none of us other democrats really care for now, cause once we win the elction that we were ahead in yesterday.......you will be the pitiful ones, trying to make up excuses and sound intelligent........i cant wait........yayyyyyyyyyyyyy!

LMAO...As if to illustrate the point, we have this gem - A textbook oral sex insult that devolves into gibberish and ends with "yaaaaay!"

Ladies and gentlemen, forget the terrorist threat. We are in danger of being over-run by a very short bus.

[John Ashcroft]

Heh heh heh...

Good one dude!

I was pandering to the poor chap, while you simply pulled out the "short bus" block. Good one!

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by FORD
There...is..no..large..lead..in..polls.

They're up and down every day, most of them are Freeped, and they're rarely outside the "margin of error".

Come on Ford you know better than that, only internet polls could be Freeped, the major polls such as Gallup, Newseek, and Time are phone polls.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Come on Ford you know better than that, only internet polls could be Freeped, the major polls such as Gallup, Newseek, and Time are phone polls.

The phone polls were what I was referring to when I said "likely voters" i.e. phone lists which are somehow generated from those registered to vote in 2000. And as I said, such polls go by the results of the last election, but don't count other eligible voters who sat that one out for whatever reason.

In terms of real numbers (i.e the actual eligible voters), Junior only got less than 24% of those votes, where as Gore got slightly more than that.

Most of those who skipped the election entirely last time did so because they thought both major parties were too far to the right for them. Junior cannot possibly tap into that vote. With the Supreme Court and the environment at risk, Kerry could very easily tap into a good portion of it. These polls have no way of accounting for that factor, because it's not in the demographic that Gallup and the others are using.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
phone lists which are somehow generated from those registered to vote in 2000.

What planet are you on ??

"somehow" ??

Mure liberal facts, huh ??

[freak]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What planet are you on ??

"somehow" ??

Mure liberal facts, huh ??

Telemarketing lists.....or evil Republican conspiracy.

You decide!

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What planet are you on ??

"somehow" ??

Mure liberal facts, huh ??

Don't be an idiot. Lists of registered voters aren't exactly top secret. How else do you think all that political junk mail got in your mailbox, addressed to your full name, as it's listed on your voter registration.

[freak]

Originally posted by FORD
Don't be an idiot. Lists of registered voters aren't exactly top secret. How else do you think all that political junk mail got in your mailbox, addressed to your full name, as it's listed on your voter registration.

And where do you think most telemarketing lists come from?

Same source.

I was contracted to write telemarketing software once upon a time (and will burn in Hell for it, I know)

Nasty business.

[diamondD]

If you didn't vote last election, there's a chance you might not in this one. They are polling likely voters who have a record of actually voting. Makes perfect sense to the sane.

[freak]

Originally posted by diamondD
If you didn't vote last election, there's a chance you might not in this one. They are polling likely voters who have a record of actually voting. Makes perfect sense to the sane.

I guess its' logical in some circles to poll Mennonites about technology or rural Montana anarchists about civic responsibility.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
If you didn't vote last election, there's a chance you might not in this one. They are polling likely voters who have a record of actually voting. Makes perfect sense to the sane.

As I said, the damage Bush Jr has done to the environment, and could do to the Supreme Court are motivating factors that didn't exist in 2000. (they should have, but Junior lied and said he was "compassionate")

Those 2 reasons have already siphoned off much of Ralphie's former voters, and it's likely that Greens, socialists, and the non voters might climb aboard for that reason.

Right wing obstainers have no motivation though. Libetrtarians and traditional conservatives can't abide Junior's spending or wars of imperialism. I'm actually disappointed Pat Buchanan didn't run