dorian modes on the guitar like vanhalen

[Eyes of the Night]

D is cool right now with the leads or boxes i've created while making my own shit up ...

Cool read yo, I can look but couldn't say what I'm playing when leading half the time ... I couldn't say because I'm dumb but could show you by playing it ...

[jhale667]

Here ya go, kids....Modes de-mystified...

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by jhale667
Here ya go, kids....Modes de-mystified...

good work!!!

[bluedog]

Originally posted by jhale667
I'm reminded of a Billy Sheehan quote "You have to learn the rules before you can forget them"...:D

A mode is generated by playing a specific scale starting on a note OTHER than the '1' in the scale formula...(for the uninitiated) Dorian is arrived at by starting on the '2'.

I took formal lessons for a couple of years as a kid, and have tons of transcriptions and theory crap laying about...
I've corrected tab for an instructional video company, I guess I should know all of that forwards and backwards - I guess to an extent I do -
but when I'm improvising, I could not tell you what mode I'm playing in....
I mean, I know what key I'm in, but besides that? :D
That's the thing I always dug about EVH and similar players, the reckless abandon aspect of their playing... I don't ever want to be so concerned with theoretical correctness that I forget how to fly by the seat of my pants....

I like Sheehan’s quote and I like your approach to the application of theory. I too am formally trained. When I solo, I do know which scale degrees, shapes, modes, etc that I’m playing. I’m not the type of player to just vamp on top of an I-IV- V progression with a pentatonic scale 100% of the time. I am constantly chasing chords. I strive to be an interesting player – one that can build tension in a solo – that’s the most important thing to me. Sometimes that comes from “breaking the rules” or playing something that steps outside of box. Page stepped out of the Am pentatonic on Stairway by adding the F and Slash stepped out on Sweet Child with his interesting use of the 7’s – and Ed stepped out all of the time! Those guys can “play by the seat of their pants” but you can be damn sure they know what the hell they’re doing. Their interesting approaches and applications are not coincidence. Now, I wouldn’t dare put myself in the same league as those guys, but I definitely believe my foundation in theory help ME to accomplish interesting phrasing. But just because it works for some, doesn’t mean that it will work for everybody. That’s the beauty of creativity! With guitar, you can learn as much theory OR as little as you choose. Some will argue that technique is the most essential tool a rock guitar player can possess. But I believe the most important thing is that you’re playing – you’re creating- you’re exploring – and doing something that pleases YOU! If others like it, then that’s a bonus.

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by bluedog
I like Sheehan’s quote and I like your approach to the application of theory. I too am formally trained. When I solo, I do know which scale degrees, shapes, modes, etc that I’m playing. I’m not the type of player to just vamp on top of an I-IV- V progression with a pentatonic scale 100% of the time. I am constantly chasing chords. I strive to be an interesting player – one that can build tension in a solo – that’s the most important thing to me. Sometimes that comes from “breaking the rules” or playing something that steps outside of box. Page stepped out of the Am pentatonic on Stairway by adding the F and Slash stepped out on Sweet Child with his interesting use of the 7’s – and Ed stepped out all of the time! Those guys can “play by the seat of their pants” but you can be damn sure they know what the hell they’re doing. Their interesting approaches and applications are not coincidence. Now, I wouldn’t dare put myself in the same league as those guys, but I definitely believe my foundation in theory help ME to accomplish interesting phrasing. But just because it works for some, doesn’t mean that it will work for everybody. That’s the beauty of creativity! With guitar, you can learn as much theory OR as little as you choose. Some will argue that technique is the most essential tool a rock guitar player can possess. But I believe the most important thing is that you’re playing – you’re creating- you’re exploring – and doing something that pleases YOU! If others like it, then that’s a bonus.

Great Post. Made Perfect Sense

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by cdwillis
A divebomb isn't exactly very musical; its more of a sound effect as far as I'm concerned. Of course, if it sounds good it is good.

It was musical when ed played them. When I do it, it's a sound effect.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
It was musical when ed played them. When I do it, it's a sound effect.

If the target you're bombing is a specific note and you hit it, it IS musical. :D Octave drops are cool...

Hey, it's a musical sound effect !!!

Having said that, I like making dinosaur noises as much as the next guy, if not more...:D