Eddie Van Halen ---> Final Meltdown in Arizona--->November 19, 2004.

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  • lms2

    Yes, Fab, I did get to see Wolf on this tour. There have also been numerous discussions on this board regarding Wolf. It has been said that his real talent is drums.

    I am not passing judgment on Ed as a father, but he has been in his sons life since birth... the dependency gene is passed on biologically, whether the dad is around or not. Many kids who see what their parents become because of the drug of choice, are able to then make a concious decision to avoid that drug.

    When I commented that Wolf had been fairly sheltered up until this tour, I was not referring to inside their household or in his private life, but from the prying eyes of the media in general. I guess that may be debatable, but so far everyone I have discussed this with has agreed.

    FYI...I have been licensed by my state to be a parent. (scary ain't it!).
    Further, I have had indepth training in dealing with kids from situations where there parents are abusive and addicts. Much as I would love to take some of these kids and make damn sure they never see their parents again.... that is not the recommended course of action by any of the experts. Even for kids that will never be returned to that living situation.

    Yes, I agree that your son is your responsiblity, and it is not my place to tell you how to raise your son, or to suggest what you should do about your situation. I am simply agreeing one step futher by saying you should also not judge Val for her choices. My mistake. I guess when you marry a rock star and have a child, the worlds gets to decide what is right for that child.

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    • Brett
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      • Jan 2004
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      Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
      did someone ask what you want? if you post here, you get an opinion...all free...no cencorship...and if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...
      Again, STFU, and when I want to hear from you, I will go get you from the sandbox. Ok sport? Cool.

      I'll watch out for that "cencorship" stuff. Thanks.

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      • Switch84
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        • Feb 2004
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        :p Brett, are entertainers beyond being human? Did they lose their humanity when they sold records, movie tickets, etc? No. Anyone studying junior Psychology can come to the same conclusions Fab and I have!

        Do you think having an alcoholic out-of-control parent is healthy? 'Natra, Fab, and others are speaking from experience. To belittle their insights is dumb at best, not to mention insensitive and sad.

        Just because Eddie Van Halen's a rock star doesn't give him a free pass to be a shithead parent and spouse.
        Last edited by Switch84; 11-22-2004, 09:01 PM.
        "He doesn't need to sell millions of records, he doesn't need to fill arenas, he doesn't need to be popular, he doesn't need your money, AND HE DOESN'T NEED YOU!"
        Blackflag on DLR

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        • Brett
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          Conclusions based on no first-hand knowlege whatsoever Switch.

          What I find insulting is you question my knowlege of dealing with alcoholism? Why do you assume I have no understanding? How do you know what pain I've been through because of it. I'm pretty damn sure I've sat up as many nights in emergencies roos wondering what I've done wrong, just like anyone else has. I'm pretty fucking sure I've earned my stripes.
          Last edited by Brett; 11-22-2004, 08:56 PM.

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          • DavidLeeNatra
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            • Jan 2004
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            Originally posted by Brett
            when I want to hear from you, I will go get you from the sandbox.
            I never post at the linx, sorry...you search at the wrong place...
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            • lms2

              Switch, sorry to hear about your sister.

              My honest opinion is that Wolf was probably "safer" on this tour than he was numerous times in the sanctity of his own home.

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              • Brett
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                • Jan 2004
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                Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
                I never post at the linx, sorry...you search at the wrong place...
                Again, STFU lemming. I said I'd send for you when you're needed. Believe me, you're not.

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                • DavidLeeNatra
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                  Originally posted by Brett
                  Conclusions based on no first-hand knowlege whatsoever Switch.

                  What I find insulting is you question my knowlege of dealing with alcoholism? Why do you assume I have no understanding? How do you know what pain I've been through. I'm pretty damn sure I've sat up as many nights wondering what I've done wrong, as anyone else.
                  wow...so what? tell if you want...if not...shut up...seeing a fat kid on stage and a drunk man out of his fucking mind is first hand enough to have an opinion...
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                  • Switch84
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                    • Feb 2004
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                    Originally posted by Brett
                    Conclusions based on no first-hand knowlege whatsoever Switch.

                    Do you need first-hand experience to know the Holocaust happened? It's called common sense, Brett. 1+1=2.
                    "He doesn't need to sell millions of records, he doesn't need to fill arenas, he doesn't need to be popular, he doesn't need your money, AND HE DOESN'T NEED YOU!"
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                    • DavidLeeNatra
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                      Originally posted by Brett
                      Again, STFU lemming. I said I'd send for you when you're needed. Believe me, you're not.
                      wrong place for you to piss at somebody...
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                      • DavidLeeNatra
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                        Originally posted by Switch84
                        common sense, Brett. 1+1=2.
                        three things that will never come together...
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                        • Fabulous Shadow

                          Not that it's any of your fucking business Brett, but my husband did not drink when we married. He didnt start until his father, a non drinker died a tramatic and sudden death and someone offered him a beer to calm him... It grabbed ahold of him and ruined him... My son was already here. When things worsened, and after failed stints in Rehab, AA and counseling, I removed my son from the picture. My son see's his dad. Supervised by me and only when he's sober. I control my sons destiny and I wont let his fathers selfish desires ruin my son.

                          Oh and FYI... Preaching to YOU? you joined this conversation already in progress... You have a site... I'm sure this converastion is in full swing there too...

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                          • Brett
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                            Originally posted by Switch84
                            Do you need first-hand experience to know the Holocaust happened? It's called common sense, Brett. 1+1=2.
                            So the private life of a some dumb rock guitarist (that you have no knowledge of) is comparable to a catastrophic massacre in history? Wow now that's a stretch.

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                            • DavidLeeNatra
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                              Originally posted by Fabulous Shadow
                              Not that it's any of your fucking business Brett, but [...] I control my sons destiny and I wont let his fathers selfish desires ruin my son.
                              you're right, fab...it's not his business, nor is this site...don't you worry about that little prick...
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                              • Brett
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                                Originally posted by Fabulous Shadow
                                Not that it's any of your fucking business Brett, but my husband did not drink when we married. He didnt start until his father, a non drinker died a tramatic and sudden death and someone offered him a beer to calm him... It grabbed ahold of him and ruined him... My son was already here. When things worsened, and after failed stints in Rehab, AA and counseling, I removed my son from the picture. My son see's his dad. Supervised by me and only when he's sober. I control my sons destiny and I wont let his fathers selfish desires ruin my son.

                                Oh and FYI... Preaching to YOU? you joined this conversation already in progress... You have a site... I'm sure this converastion is in full swing there too...
                                Why so hostile all of a sudden? You volunteered this stuff, I actually was curious about it, that's why I asked. You guys talk about all the shit you went through, and I find a lot of it familiar, apart from the kid stuff. I thought it would be interesting to discuss it. Sorry I'm not a part of the "dealing with alcoholics in the family" clique. Which I am of course, suffering through all the same bullshit you did. Rehab, AA, 911, ambulances, destroyed lives, etc.

                                And no this conversation is not going on there, if it is, didn't catch my eye.

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