Steve Via's reflection

[tomballin]

Hendrix over-rated. - Righttttttt!

Can tell you're a musician and well studied on music history and theory......NOT!!

Dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen reduced to writing.


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Originally posted by tydhurst
I agree, and Yngwie Malmsteen is an embarassment to the sport, those trousers!!! A thin man couldn't get away with them let alone that "I ate a Baby" looking Motherfucker! Anyway, WAHT do you you mean Steve Vai shows no soul, were you even listening, that man IS the guitar! Hendrix was overrated just because he's dead. If he'd lived there is NO way he'd be able to keep up with players like Vai, who have this style that speaks to you on several different levels, Who cares what Frank Zappa thought of his style, that's his problem! Vai is the best guitar player ever, because he IS able to put soul into his guitar but add technique and effects at the same time, but ulike, say, Tom Morello, the music does not just lie on effects alone. I've seen clips of Vai with just a little practice amp, and boy does he make it WAIL!

[Mr. G]

I personally don't care how soemone looks (Yngwie) as long as they can play. Yngwie is basically the same guy he always has been, shreds just as fast or faster. The good thing about Steve, Joe and probably Yngwie is that they are probably not going to go the way of other greats that die too early, so we can watch how they progress. One thing I would change about Yngwie is that from my point of view he sometimes just plays fast for the sake of playing fast. If he would just sort of dole out the speed at choice moments and play with more feel other times I think he would be better. But I guess part of Yngwie's appeal is his over the top shred!

[tydhurst]

Yeah, but the trousers took away a lot of his Stage cred. It truns out, i AM a musician, and have a bit of musical knowledge, and since you haven't realy backed up your argument, i've disregarded your comment!

Hendrix is still very much overrated. Again that's just my opinion, and i'll tell you what i tell everybody...

Don't listen to my opinion, i'm nuts! I just think htere are better guitarists than Hendrix and hate it when people cram him down my fucking throat! He is not the Be-all and End-all of guitar players!

[Mr. G]

So let me get this straight, according to you Yngwie is less of a credible musicain because of how he looks? In studying music theory have you run across data that governs music ability with what pants someone is wearing? So I'm waiting for a logical explination without you being overly emotional.

[aesop]

Originally posted by Balue
Thinking back to interviews around the release of Skyscraper, Dave was so proud of that record. It's the most serious I've ever heard him about his music. He really had his own vision for that record and took control to make sure it turned out right. Must have been a blow when the reviews came in. Everyone seemed to want the jokey, larger than life Dave that was served up on Eat Em And Smile, not a serious musician with pretensions to art. Shame he never tried anything so ambitious again. Skyscraper may not be his best solo album, but it's the most interesting and the one that had the most potential to break away from the "ex lead singer of Van Halen" tag.

Anyway, Vai joining Whitesnake was very weird. Anyone taking Coverdale seriously is very weird. Jimmy Page? Whaaaaatttttttt!!!!!!!!!!?????? Sheehan forming Mr Big, now that made sense .

Hey I met David Coverdale...He's quite the Heavy Metal professional. While Whitesnake never broke any new ground, they, like the Scorps, sure got the jist of what Hard Rock was...and ran with it. No fault in that.

...And I still think that 'Coverdale-Page is a fucking great album...

...Anyone ever hear "It's Over Now"?...Great tune...

[Denny]

Originally posted by tydhurst
I agree, and Yngwie Malmsteen is an embarassment to the sport, those trousers!!! A thin man couldn't get away with them let alone that "I ate a Baby" looking Motherfucker! Anyway, WAHT do you you mean Steve Vai shows no soul, were you even listening, that man IS the guitar! Hendrix was overrated just because he's dead. If he'd lived there is NO way he'd be able to keep up with players like Vai, who have this style that speaks to you on several different levels, Who cares what Frank Zappa thought of his style, that's his problem! Vai is the best guitar player ever, because he IS able to put soul into his guitar but add technique and effects at the same time, but ulike, say, Tom Morello, the music does not just lie on effects alone. I've seen clips of Vai with just a little practice amp, and boy does he make it WAIL!

Yngwie Malmsteen can out play Satriani and Vai. Frank Zappa was and is 1,000,000 times the Musician Steve Vai is.

[tydhurst]

Originally posted by Mr. G
So let me get this straight, according to you Yngwie is less of a credible musicain because of how he looks? In studying music theory have you run across data that governs music ability with what pants someone is wearing? So I'm waiting for a logical explination without you being overly emotional.

I never said anything about Malmsteen's musicianship, read my post again before you go on about it!

Originally posted by Denny
Yngwie Malmsteen can out play Satriani and Vai. Frank Zappa was and is 1,000,000 times the Musician Steve Vai is.

So just Because you say Frank Zappa was better than Seve Vai that means that Frank Zappa must be right about everything?

[tydhurst]

I can't make fun of Malmsteen's guitar playing, it's too good! But i will make fun of his taste in trousers!

[David Van Via]

Originally posted by tydhurst
I can't make fun of Malmsteen's guitar playing, it's too good! But i will make fun of his taste in trousers!

Yeah. Malmsteem is a world class guitar player, and nobody can say otherwise, however is music is just scales played really really fast. It doesn't have all that much soul. But come on you must admit large men shouldn't wear trousers like that (before anyone says, this is NO insult to his music or his playing in anyway). And as for Malmsteen out playing Vai and Satriani..... I'm sorry, I can't agree he just plays the same style of fast playing in every song, while Vai and Satriani mix the speed with soul (In my opinion makes a better combination).

[Mr. G]

Man I definitly agree with that. It's funny but Yngwie has said that he NEVER practices scales! As far as these three I guess we can all agree that none of them suck.

[MUSICMAN64]

Dave once said that Skyscraper was his Frankenstein. A time to experiment. Billy Sheehan said afterwards that he hated the record. Too many over dubs. He said the original demo with just the four players was way better. As for Vai leaving, who knows. He was a hired gun and certainly a player on the outer fringes of technique. Not your most traditional type player.
Eddie had the tricks but his rhythm playing and songwriting were exceptional. I never felt the warmth in Vai's tone that Ed had. I still dig Skyscraper, Especially Hina. And yes, Tuggle wrote Paradise, and Vai hated his solo. All in all, 2 great albums from an amazing band.
theres a good interview at Metal Sludge with Billy Sheehan regarding Dave and the making of the album.

[David Van Via]

Originally posted by Mr. G
As far as these three I guess we can all agree that none of them suck.

Well I'll tell you one thing. I agree with you anyway! :D

[tobinentinc]

Let's put it this way, Dave's career was never the same after Vai and Sheehan

[Mr. G]

Well it COULD be the same.

[Terry]

Sheehan and Vai have a ton of technical ability, but are a couple of wankfest artists when it comes right down to it. Only made sense for Billy to hook up with Mr.Big and Gilbert, who epitomized speed over substance to a degree that made Vai sound soulful by comparison. That whole GIT school of playing that always leaves me cold. I mean, what's a bass player doing with a Kahler vibrato on his axe, for fucks sake?!

Eddie V had technique in spades, but the man knew how to write a song and lay back as well. Think Dave's contribution to the EEAS band was influencing Sheehan and Vai to play things that would appeal to rock fans who weren't musicians.

EEAS was a smokin' album, no doubt. Agree that it ranks up there with Dave's best. Then again, so does DLR Band, and none of the guitarists on that CD are doing anything stellar, solo-wise. Comes down to the songs in the end. EEAS was a logical progression from 1984, whereas 5150 just wasn't.

Don't get me wrong: 1986 was the first introduction for many to Vai, and he passed the audition with flying colors. Somehow though, what EVH did in classic VH still resonates with me to this day, whereas a lot of Vai's stuff still has that "wheedly-wheedly-wee!" quality that I'm a little ho-hum over now. When he does the slower, bluesier stuff, it comes across to me like he's making an effort to be emotive.