Question regarding VHIII song

[RuzDNailz]

Without you was the better song of the VHIII album in my opinion. Kinda got me back into the whole VH thing. Taught me how valuable DLR was and why the rest of the band needed a kick in the nards.

One thing I can't get over was the fact that they peformed one of my favourite CVH tunes, DTNA when they had GC. Hagar would NEVER have
performed that song with them. Seeing Dave perform it live was good enough for me anyways.

[cvawter]

Mayday, mayday, mayday...mayday

[stilleddiesangel]

Cherone gave me the creeps.. however he LOVED singing the CVH tunes and it showed!!!

[Wonder Twins]

Without you was a great song howvere, the song That's Why I Love you(which was cut from teh CD) may have been better.

[SloBurn]

Man, i live in Australia and saw this tour (THE ONLY VH TOUR EVER, I MIGHT ADD), but where was this one filmed? I'd like to get a copy; but only 'cause i was SO excited to actually see them i got drunk off my ass on goon and can't remember a lot of it!

All i can say in Cherone's defence was that he tried pretty hard and that they opened with 'Unchained' (my favourite CVH tune).

Please if anyone has a link, let me know.





Dave's the MAN!!!

[Terry]

The band in general were decent on that tour, agreed. But back then the band had something to prove again, after a decade of banality with Hagar. The choice to go with Cherone over Roth needed to be backed up with some solid performances.

Van Halen 3 had some guitar work that showed potential...just didn't care for Cherone's lyrics (or Eddie's, or whoever wrote them), and the production was fucking terrible. The album just SOUNDED so goddamn awful that it was like an endurance contest just getiing to the two or three decent musical ideas Ed threw on there.

[zeronumber]

Meh, VH3 was...ok...
Guitar wise, it was one of Eddie's better albulms, since eddie made all of the music, gary just wrote the lyrics. But, the majority of the albulm imo sucked. Nearly all the songs sound exactly the same. I guess the reason for that was mostly for the fact that eddie had to make a song from a lyric sheet, where as dave always came up with the majority of the Harmonies and melodies for eddie to work with, and sam wrote most of the songs for the van hagar era.

Anyway, onward to quotes.

Dave plus Eddie in the late 90s would have been a great combination for a new album.

Agreed. Seriously, It dissapoints me that it never happens, espeisally when ever I listen to the final two tracks of the "Best of". They were going in a really cool direction with their music, so one could have only imagined how awesome the rest of the albulm would have sounded like.

That album has some great playing but horrible, horrible vocals and arrangements. Still better than anything they did with Hagar the Horrible, though.

Funny you should say that, because frankly, Cherone's voice sounds very similar to that of Sammy Hagar.

Without you was the better song of the VHIII album in my opinion. Kinda got me back into the whole VH thing. Taught me how valuable DLR was and why the rest of the band needed a kick in the nards.

I really liked the song because it wasn't so saturated with flanger and chorus which you would find in a lot of the guitar rigs in both cvh and van hagar eras, plus the insane amount of tapping in the song, and freaky melodies showed that eddie still had it. Too bad though that the rest of the albulm really...well sucked.

[b]If you get rid of some of the tracks on VH3, wipe off the vocals on the ones that are left, and then add Dave and then a few other new songs with Dave, you'd have a smokin' VH album.

By few do you mean 8 right? Because I could think of maybe 3 songs that I liked on that albulm, and the instrumental track "neworld", other than that, I don't see much of the albulm.

Better yet, if they had material that was worked on by Dave for dlr band, and the best of albulm tracks, it would have been an real kick ass cvh albulm.

1- Neworld
2- Without You
3- Slamdunk
4- Can't Get This Stuff No More
5- Me Wise Magic
6- Fire In the Hole
7- Year To the Day
8- Ballot or the Bullet

Perhaps even some choice covers, and yeah, you would have gotten an kick ass cvh albulm.

Hell, when you think about without you, with the exception of the lyrics and vocal work, that song wreaks of cvh due to it's instrumental arrangments. Seriously, that song sticks out like a soar thumb. Sometimes I wonder if that was one of the songs in production for the cvh reunion, but sort of got carried over once eddie and dave parted ways again.

[bigc]

apparently "thats why i love you" was the only one carried over from the work with Dave in 1996,back then it was called "blood from a stone"

but without out was written the day eddie and gary first worked together. so the ideas musta been as near as complete by the time the sessions with dave ended.

i feel sorry for cherone, I mean, at least he isnt Hagar attitude wise

[zeronumber]

I feel more sorry for him for the fact that they didn't allow a single cherone track on the best of both worlds release. It's as if he was completely dissmised by van halen.

Seriously, those 3 live tracks where sam covers dave material wasn't an neccessairy addition, they could have added some cherone songs to really catalog all of Van halen's work over their near 30 year existance.

That and the fact that he had huge shoes to fill, and his addition to the band came at a bad time. How do you replace 2 singers that fans appricated, while at the same time, pick up the pieces of cvh after a failed reunion and expet to run with it?

[twonabomber]

Originally posted by Wonder Twins
Without you was a great song howvere, the song That's Why I Love you(which was cut from teh CD) may have been better.

nah. i've heard that song, and it was just a Can't Stop Lovin' You rehash.

they left it off III for good reason...it sucked harder than what they already included on III.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by twonabomber
nah. i've heard that song, and it was just a Can't Stop Lovin' You rehash.

they left it off III for good reason...it sucked harder than what they already included on III.

Never heard it...but I do remember some of the Links'ers (back when I lurked there) ranting and raving about how it was the best song ever, some other assorted bullshit...

[stilleddiesangel]

Originally posted by zeronumber
I feel more sorry for him for the fact that they didn't allow a single cherone track on the best of both worlds release. It's as if he was completely dissmised by van halen.

Seriously, those 3 live tracks where sam covers dave material wasn't an neccessairy addition, they could have added some cherone songs to really catalog all of Van halen's work over their near 30 year existance.

That and the fact that he had huge shoes to fill, and his addition to the band came at a bad time. How do you replace 2 singers that fans appricated, while at the same time, pick up the pieces of cvh after a failed reunion and expet to run with it?

I gotta agree there, they could have put in Without you and FITH .. out of simple courtesy to Cherone.

[bueno bob]

They knew they were fucked from the moment they stepped on stage at the '96 MTV awards.

Ed and Al KNEW it.

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by bueno bob
They knew they were fucked from the moment they stepped on stage at the '96 MTV awards.

Ed and Al KNEW it.

Indeed.

[house0paincakes]

Originally posted by fryingdutchman
[B] Eddie's playing on the "3" tour was extremely tight. He looked good...he played great.

That's because he was SOBER during that album & tour.