Which Album Was A Better Followup To '1984'?

[audiospectrum]

I gotta admit that 1984 is very dodgy, I love what Dave did to salvage this dying band but you can tell that Ed and Alex weren't themselves, riddled with drug problems and paranoia, and blinded by their own egos. I'm sure Dave felt the spiritual effects as well, because 1984 just doesn't flow like the rest of 'em. 5150 is the best of Hagar-era and it does flow smoothly enough. It just lacks balls, in fact it has no balls and Eddie had lost a lot of real feeling and passion. Dave brought back the passion and reinvented himself with an over the top screechingly smack-you-in-the-face blast of an album. Vai noodles way too much, but it's Vai, he does that. I preferred Steve when he went solo (P & W, S & R) because he seemed to have settled down and found HIS OWN style. But EEAS wins hands down, Dave continued to ascend, Van Hagar continued to ride that plane into the sand, as Dave said in his book. Who has the best life attitude?? Yeah that's what I thought. You've got a legend and an impersonator and you want to compare them both???

[DLR_EngineRoom]

Originally posted by audiospectrum
I gotta admit that 1984 is very dodgy, I love what Dave did to salvage this dying band but you can tell that Ed and Alex weren't themselves, riddled with drug problems and paranoia, and blinded by their own egos. I'm sure Dave felt the spiritual effects as well, because 1984 just doesn't flow like the rest of 'em. 5150 is the best of Hagar-era and it does flow smoothly enough. It just lacks balls, in fact it has no balls and Eddie had lost a lot of real feeling and passion. Dave brought back the passion and reinvented himself with an over the top screechingly smack-you-in-the-face blast of an album. Vai noodles way too much, but it's Vai, he does that. I preferred Steve when he went solo (P & W, S & R) because he seemed to have settled down and found HIS OWN style. But EEAS wins hands down, Dave continued to ascend, Van Hagar continued to ride that plane into the sand, as Dave said in his book. Who has the best life attitude?? Yeah that's what I thought. You've got a legend and an impersonator and you want to compare them both???

Great point....seemed obvious to me, but not the sheep. It's more than an opinion to say that EEAS kix 5150's butt, but......sheep will be sheep.........lies lies lies......

[zeronumber]

On behalf of the sheep, I like to point out that 5150 was not the better van hagar effort. F.U.C.K. And Balance Were.
Secondly, I like EEAS better, mostly because in terms of quality, it's overall better. 5150 has a couple of tracks that are well...crappy fillers.

Both lack the strong guitar work that vh was known for. Vai is awesome, and NOW can be considered better than eddie, but back then with Sky scraper and EEAs, he sounded like an eddie wannabe, not even doing as much cool stuff as eddie.

5150 was mostly chords to guitar solo, or keyboard arrangements to guitar solo.

Both were good albulms, but both were sort of dissapointing for post cvh times when you really think about it.

[bigc]

zeronumber...what do you make of OU812?

[DLR_EngineRoom]

All Van Hagar sucked compared to Classic Van Halen.


Period.

Stamped it.

Blocked it.

No erasees.

Golden Key.

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by bigc
zeronumber...what do you make of OU812?

I thought it was a semi better effort, but one thing that sort of dissapointed me was the fact that it sort of had a relaxed feel to it.
It was a great albulm, but at the same time, It wasn't the peak of that of say F.U.C.K, which showed that van hagar was more than a sammy hagar band, with new musicians, showcasing better mucianship, as well as more attitude.

Personally, I think Van hagar was at it's finest at balance, where there was awesome guitar work, tons of energy and more thought put into their songs, and the song "Humans Being" that followed, was the band at it's climax.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by bigc
zeronumber...what do you make of OU812?

I made mine into a frisbee.

[DLR_EngineRoom]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I made mine into a frisbee.

no joke - I'm looking to sell my Van Hagar collection on eBay....

4 tapes 2 albums and 2 tshirts......starting bid $20


My shame for purchasing those in the first place will be auctioned off too, opening bid $.01

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by DLR_EngineRoom
no joke - I'm looking to sell my Van Hagar collection on eBay....

4 tapes 2 albums and 2 tshirts......starting bid $20


My shame for purchasing those in the first place will be auctioned off too, opening bid $.01

Somebody already did that.

seriously, the retarded auctions on ebay are embarrasing. Not so much that they get put on, but idiots actually bid on them.

Seriously, one person actually put up their virginity up for sale, as well as a link to a pop up ad, and both went over ten bucks.

And believe it or not, cvh, van hagar, and cherone era albulms go for dirt at ebay. You wouldn't even get 20 bucks. I once saw a dlr albulm sell for 60 cents.

[DLR_EngineRoom]

Originally posted by zeronumber
Somebody already did that.

seriously, the retarded auctions on ebay are embarrasing. Not so much that they get put on, but idiots actually bid on them.

Seriously, one person actually put up their virginity up for sale, as well as a link to a pop up ad, and both went over ten bucks.

And believe it or not, cvh, van hagar, and cherone era albulms go for dirt at ebay. You wouldn't even get 20 bucks. I once saw a dlr albulm sell for 60 cents.

too true........well, as embarassing as it is.....I need to sell it all to save face.....any givers....er I mean....any sheep?

[audiospectrum]

Originally posted by zeronumber

Both were good albulms, but both were sort of dissapointing for post cvh times when you really think about it.

Yep, all things considered, you're damn right No one could showcase Dave's wonderful gift like Eddie could. I really miss CVH. (sob)

[Dave's Bitch]

Originally posted by audiospectrum
Yep, all things considered, you're damn right No one could showcase Dave's wonderful gift like Eddie could. I really miss CVH. (sob)

Dont we all hunny

[Soul Reaper]

Eat 'Em and Smile- 16
5150- 6

[Terry]

EEAS gets the nod just on production qualities alone.

5150 SOUNDED terrible when it came out, and hasn't improved with age, either. What the fuck happened to Ed's tone? Those Simmons drums just deadened the whole bottom end. For me, 1984 had some of AVH's best recorded work, sound-wise, to date. The clarity of that effort had been replaced by this mid-tone slush.

Really no comparison in terms of song content, either. Far as musicianship and lyrics are concerned, EEAS had plenty of stuff that was up my alley. 5150 just didn't. Can't really think of anything on that album that would have been improved with Roth's participation, or Ted's input. The slickest production values aren't gonna mask or cover up poor songwriting. It doesn't even sound like Ed was making an effort on most of the album. It was at this point that Ed began to become a self-parody. None of the solos made me want to try and figure them out, because I'd already heard it all done before, and better. About the only tune that perked up my ears was the title track, which was a decent piece of music.

As for Hagar, the man is strictly pedestrian. There really is nothing unique about him lyrically, other than being exceptionally average. Just one bland greeting card sentiment after another, alongside lame, humorless sexual double-entendres that make Spinal Tap look positively Shakespearean in comparison. And after several months of reading interviews where EVH asserted that Sammy was a more capable singer than Roth, well, I just didn't hear it. Hagar sings in a higher natural range than Roth. That's about it.

All things considered, it was probably a good thing CVH split when they did. Things were getting a little too top-40 by the time 1984 came around. The music was getting soft.

[tydhurst]

Originally posted by Terry
EEAS gets the nod just on production qualities alone.

5150 SOUNDED terrible when it came out, and hasn't improved with age, either. What the fuck happened to Ed's tone? Those Simmons drums just deadened the whole bottom end. For me, 1984 had some of AVH's best recorded work, sound-wise, to date. The clarity of that effort had been replaced by this mid-tone slush.

Really no comparison in terms of song content, either. Far as musicianship and lyrics are concerned, EEAS had plenty of stuff that was up my alley. 5150 just didn't. Can't really think of anything on that album that would have been improved with Roth's participation, or Ted's input. The slickest production values aren't gonna mask or cover up poor songwriting. It doesn't even sound like Ed was making an effort on most of the album. It was at this point that Ed began to become a self-parody. None of the solos made me want to try and figure them out, because I'd already heard it all done before, and better. About the only tune that perked up my ears was the title track, which was a decent piece of music.

As for Hagar, the man is strictly pedestrian. There really is nothing unique about him lyrically, other than being exceptionally average. Just one bland greeting card sentiment after another, alongside lame, humorless sexual double-entendres that make Spinal Tap look positively Shakespearean in comparison. And after several months of reading interviews where EVH asserted that Sammy was a more capable singer than Roth, well, I just didn't hear it. Hagar sings in a higher natural range than Roth. That's about it.

All things considered, it was probably a good thing CVH split when they did. Things were getting a little too top-40 by the time 1984 came around. The music was getting soft.

This guy knows his stuff, 5 Stars!